This is going to make some heads explode.
Posted on 12/22/2013 1:46:25 PM PST by piusv
"The Gospel tells us nothing: if she said a word or not ... She was quiet, but in her heart - how much she said to the Lord! 'You told me then - that's what we have read - that He will be great. You told me that You would give him the throne of his father David, that he will reign over the house of Jacob forever. And now I see Him there!' The Blessed Mother was human! And perhaps she would have wanted to say, 'lies! I have been cheated!'.
(Excerpt) Read more at eponymousflower.blogspot.co.uk ...
Mary conceived without sin? No, she was not. She was human like all the rest of us.
yup.
Catholic Church teaching - The Dogma of the Immaculate Conception.
The Mary the greater than Christ Worshippers won’t be happy
Remember that David would write a lament and then usually finish up a psalm with a positive prayer.
Psalms 22
1 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Why art thou so far from helping me, from the words of my groaning?
2 O my God, I cry by day, but thou dost not answer; and by night, but find no rest.
3 Yet thou art holy, enthroned on the praises of Israel.
4 In thee our fathers trusted; they trusted, and thou didst deliver them.
5 To thee they cried, and were saved; in thee they trusted, and were not disappointed.
6 But I am a worm, and no man; scorned by men, and despised by the people.
7 All who see me mock at me, they make mouths at me, they wag their heads;
8 "He committed his cause to the LORD; let him deliver him, let him rescue him, for he delights in him!"
9 Yet thou art he who took me from the womb; thou didst keep me safe upon my mother's breasts.
10 Upon thee was I cast from my birth, and since my mother bore me thou hast been my God.
11 Be not far from me, for trouble is near and there is none to help.
12 Many bulls encompass me, strong bulls of Bashan surround me;
13 they open wide their mouths at me, like a ravening and roaring lion.
14 I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint; my heart is like wax, it is melted within my breast;
15 my strength is dried up like a potsherd, and my tongue cleaves to my jaws; thou dost lay me in the dust of death.
16 Yea, dogs are round about me; a company of evildoers encircle me; they have pierced my hands and feet --
17 I can count all my bones -- they stare and gloat over me;
18 they divide my garments among them, and for my raiment they cast lots.
19 But thou, O LORD, be not far off! O thou my help, hasten to my aid!
20 Deliver my soul from the sword, my life from the power of the dog!
21 Save me from the mouth of the lion, my afflicted soul from the horns of the wild oxen! 22 I will tell of thy name to my brethren; in the midst of the congregation I will praise thee:
23 You who fear the LORD, praise him! all you sons of Jacob, glorify him, and stand in awe of him, all you sons of Israel!
24 For he has not despised or abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; and he has not hid his face from him, but has heard, when he cried to him.
25 From thee comes my praise in the great congregation; my vows I will pay before those who fear him.
26 The afflicted shall eat and be satisfied; those who seek him shall praise the LORD! May your hearts live for ever!
27 All the ends of the earth shall remember and turn to the LORD; and all the families of the nations shall worship before him.
28 For dominion belongs to the LORD, and he rules over the nations.
29 Yea, to him shall all the proud of the earth bow down; before him shall bow all who go down to the dust, and he who cannot keep himself alive.
30 Posterity shall serve him; men shall tell of the Lord to the coming generation,
31 and proclaim his deliverance to a people yet unborn, that he has wrought it.
Ahh, so dogma over the Bible?
No. They are harmonious.
Creating a new tempest in that well used teapot.
According to the article, Pope Francis said “The Blessed Mother was human! And perhaps she would have wanted to say, ‘lies! I have been cheated!’.”
Key words Mary “was human.” To me Pope Francis is speculating on what a very human Mary’s personal and never spoken thoughts to seeing her son crucified may have been. He is not claiming she said anything or stating that she actually thought it. He is bring Mary to us as a fellow human being; not a demi/semi-goddess or marble saint, but a mother going through the shock of seeing her son being executed.
Yep, he should have not said it as it becomes another ‘let’s whip Frankie’ point.
No they are not, you can’t be a true Roman Catholic and Christian at the same time they’re not the same thing.
Unfortunately, I think not.
IMHO, Francis is fulfilling a prophecy written by a far greater power.
We are in fact, living in “interesting times.”
This whole thing is convoluted. Benedict XVI has NEVER fully explained his abdication, first time in Papal history as I recall.
And a JESUIT Pope?
Yes indeedy, we are living in interesting times.
If Francis is "Peter the Roman"
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
then he is the right man
for a time such as this.
This is going to make some heads explode.
Did the Holy Father say anything more than she was tempted? The devil tempted Jesus,in the Wilderness and I infer later on the cross? Why not Mary, who was ONLY human.
It is part of one of David’s psalms that ended in a triumphant cry of trust in God. But the Bible never quoted the end of the psalm.
No time right now to look up Psalm number.
Because the Bible is all about inferring.
Mary was a mortal human, that is probably something some people cannot handle.
Not necessarily. Consider the source of this post: Eponymous Flower blog. Here is how they describe themselves:
PurposeThis is a polemical Catholic Royalist blog. It will also attempt to provide a window onto various events, situations and personalities not generally or favorably presented to the purview of the general public in the English speaking world. It also hopes to be a bridge for those who wish to cross over, unite and fight for the truth.
Consider, as well, the freeper piusv only posted the introduction to the post and not the entire text.
The pope's homilies are constructed in Spanish, translated into Italian for delivery and then translated (i.e. "interpreted") in English by anyone and everyone. My suggestion is that anyone who is seriously interested in what the pope has to say, should go to the source, not the interpretation or translations.
Just.....
wow......
First of all, nobody wants to “whip Frankie”. The problem is that time and time again, the Pope says controversial and/or peculiar things that the Vatican has to “clarify”. In this case, he’s just making up things Mary might have thought. Attributing things to Mary that are concocted in his imagination rather than taken from scripture and in the process implying that she might have viewed God as a liar is naturally controversial. He could just as easily have speculated that she was hungry and wishing for a sandwich, which would have been similarly pointless.
Funny how the last several popes didn’t have this “translation” problem.
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