Posted on 12/28/2013 10:20:36 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
As to "in church" I mean that not so much broadly as to the Church (body of Christ), but as to which styles are Biblically permitted in individual churches.
1.) At what point (scripturally) does a church worship team (for instance) go too far when plucking the bass guitar or electric guitar, or beat the drums too loudly? At what point is the "riff" (or beat) becoming too "wordly."
Define "wordly" music as opposed to non-wordly music if/when discussing this. I ask this of those who lean more towards the Michael W. Smith type worship services or to those who like the Southern Gospel type worship services.
2.) At what point does "Southern Gospel" music become a little too Southern and thus become too worldly/honkey-tonk/Country/Country Rock? I ask this of those say they like who like what they deem to be Godly "Southern Gospel."
3.) I still can't find any scripture that exegetically/hermeneutically says that a service must be marked by only Latin/Gregorian chanting. Surely these churches can imploy other "styles" of music, too, at least in the "main" service.
**imploy**
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As far as "special" music is concerned ... if it is special because it is worship and praise for our Lord (sanctified) .. OK .. but if it is special because The Miller family will now sing a special ... I'm not in full agreement.
Only the Millers can sing as the Millers do.
THAT'S what I mean about congregational singing ... the people can sing no matter HOW it sounds.
It's supposed to be .. after all .. a joyful noise
The heart of those leading the worship and of those worshiping is the primary determinant of the quality of the worship.
The heart of those leading the worship and of those worshiping is the primary determinant of the quality of the worship.
Thus you are saying that the only music should be that sung by only the congregation. That there should not be a choir or a soloist?
Tyrant!
Just as in Rome.. the true church will eventually be forced underground...only a matter of time.
I realize my reply sounds like I'm singling out congregational over individual, but that was not my intemnt.
I sing in the choir and in the congregation and just LOVE to harmonize.
When we sing choir, I sing my part as written, when in the congregation I just sing to the Lord and I've discovered an occasional "barber shop quartet" type harmony that just makes me smile.
My experience at the service I went to over Christmas, as a guest, was that this particular church ‘IS’ worldly. Nothing I saw and heard there would indicate Jesus is the “reason”, rather it is a social gathering of like minds with all the attractions one would find in a secular world.
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The New Testament says “sing” and what is to be sung are “psalms, hymns and spiritual songs.” There is no mention of instruments in the worship of the church described in the New Testament.
My story goes back to my jr high and high school days and singing old hymns (old at least to me and the kids my age).
I LOVE Christmas and yet put the hymnal away, because there was no JOY in Joy To The World.
Another man made old hymns infectious by his demeanor and enthusiasm. 30-40 years later, I think of and enjoy old hymns BECAUSE of the message in them AND because a man WORSHIPPED when he led worship. Both men had a piano or organ or both. One, to me, worshipped.
I was climbing up a side of a mountain pass in Montana, about 10 years ago, making me about 40 at the time. The elevation was high, so was my weight. I was EXTREMELY tired. As I neared the top, the cloud cover overhead opened for a little bit, shining sun down into the valley. What had been dreary, flooded with beauty. I had been struggling a little with God and that just seemed to me, God telling me he was there and available. My heart welled up, where I could not help but sing How Great Thou Art.
The old songs had PASSION in their words. Some of the newer stuff it seems the passion is in the performing, whether singing or playing. Sure, they become memorable, catchy tunes, but not a lot of substance in the lyrics. The old hymns, with their words, can almost become like scripture (yes, I know some are), in those times alone, MUSIC pours from within a person and the old hymns seem to capture the spirit of what is going on inside.
I’m wondering about this interpretation of no instruments.
The psalms speak many times about tumbrel, lyre and harp.
Go figure?
Permitted are the singles that have a good beat and are easy to dance to, D’UH!
The Pastor mentioned Salvation but it was so garbled and construed if you weren't familiar with it you would not have heard. He was looking for a show of hands when all was said and done....a numbers game. There was no message of Jesus Birth and what this meant....they were clearly only celebrating the “Holiday”.
But now I understand why those (family members) who attend there have the mindset they do and aren't interested in the things of God other than lip service. They have no instruction apart from “attending” and being fed a secular format of what church is and it's function in their community as a social arena.
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