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Pope Francis does it again: Warns against 'little monster' priests
allvoices ^ | 4 January 2013

Posted on 01/05/2014 11:33:58 AM PST by Gamecock

“That man is somebody's preacher!” – Willie Lee Dyer, my late mother

This pope does not stop.

Almost from Day 1 of his election as the Bishop of Rome, the preeminent episcopal see of the Roman Catholic Church, Pope Francis has conducted a revolutionary refocus of what his church is supposed to be about.

He has called out, castigated and warned all those so-called “conservative” Catholics that they too must get with program—the Jesus program. The program that directly addresses the condition, the always deplorable condition, the needs of “the least of these”— the poor, the downtrodden, the oppressed, the hungry, the homeless, and yes, the imprisoned, but most especially, the just plain poor.

Pope Francis' latest exhortation, however, is directed not at the laity, but to his fellow priests. To do this work, as leaders of the worldwide Catholic flock, they must first purify themselves, both spiritually and physically. Otherwise, he says, they can and often do become "little monsters."

The purification process begins at the beginning—when prospective priests are still in seminary. This calls for a serious culling of those men who are simply not cut out to be priests—those men whose Jesus spirit has, for whatever reason, been compromised.

In practical terms, no longer, for example, will men be accepted to study for or allowed to remain in the priesthood who have been implicated in sexual abuse or who have had other, similar problems. The protection of the Catholic faithful, the congregants, the church itself is what is important, what is indeed paramount—not the individual careers (or even feelings) of particular men who would be (or are) priests.

This Revolutionary Gospel Preacher made these observations back on Nov. 29 during a closed-door meeting of 120 superiors of religious orders who had gathered at the Vatican for their regular assembly. It was only this past Friday, however, that the Jesuit journal La Civilta Cattolica released a report of the three-hour, informal question-and-answer session. The Vatican itself has not provided a transcript of the meeting.

The journal quoted this first Jesuit pope as ordering the superiors to "wake up the world" with their ministries, again, particularly as to the always shameful condition of the world's poor.

"Truly to understand reality we need to move away from the central position of calmness and peacefulness and direct ourselves to the peripheral areas," he said.

But again, Pope Francis emphasized to the superiors that the failure of the church begins in the failings of seminary training, or "formation." He accused many would-be priests of overlooking their “mistakes,” and just "gritting their teeth...following the rules [and] smiling a lot, just waiting for the day when they are told, 'Good, you have finished formation.'"

"This is hypocrisy that is the result of clericalism, which is one of the worst evils," Francis told the paper. It is the result of cronyism and careerism among the men of the cloth.

But the pope did not just criticize. He pointed to the way out and up: The training of priests, he said, must be a "work of art, not a police action."

"We must form their hearts. Otherwise we are creating little monsters. And then these little monsters mold the people of God. This really gives me goosebumps."

Finally, to bring the point home, in his remarks to the superiors Francis spoke again of the "huge problem" of accepting into the seminary someone who has already been asked to leave another religious institute, and he cited Pope Benedict XVI's zero-tolerance stance on priests who commit sexual abuse.

"I am not speaking about people who recognize that they are sinners: We are all sinners, but we are all not corrupt," Francis said. "Sinners are accepted, but not people who are corrupt."

Again, as my mother used to say about particularly insightful, spiritual and moving ministers, “This is somebody's preacher.”


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1 posted on 01/05/2014 11:33:58 AM PST by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock

There are so many good priests out there. Sad that it takes only a few percent to ruin the image.


2 posted on 01/05/2014 11:38:24 AM PST by HChampagne
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To: Gamecock
I can agree with maybe half of what the Pope says here...CAVEAT: I am not Catholic, so those who are, please take my comments with a grain of salt! It seems this new Pope is kind of an "all or nothing" type of preacher and teacher...which may or may not be a bad thing?
3 posted on 01/05/2014 11:44:00 AM PST by 88keys ("work and purpose"...election 2014!)
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To: Gamecock

Is the writer of this Allvoices article Carholic?


4 posted on 01/05/2014 11:45:20 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: Gamecock

If this is what I think it is, good for him.

This is a pan-Christian issue. Denominations which are doing it well should not gloat but thank God for the grace, and sincerely attempt to share that grace with those who aren’t doing so well.

The clergy, the preachers, the ministers, need to be thinking about what’s in it for God. Do they have a heart to carry out the unique duties of the post by which a flock is shepherded and not fleeced or turned into so much spiritual mutton. Not what’s in it for themselves.

Also in the same spirit — to try and fail shouldn’t be held as shameful. Either that man could end up doing something else for the Lord, or after further preparation that man may be back on the track to clergy.

Singlehood is a big issue in the Roman Catholic church. There are pro’s and con’s here. But if a priest finds he is desiring a wife, and assuming the official policy isn’t changed, there ought not be a stink about him stepping down. That’s the holy thing to do. (They will take married Episcopal priests, however. So why a married Catholic could not later assume the post is maybe a question. It’s possible to get so hung up over theory and formalities that the goal, actual ministering, is forgotten.)


5 posted on 01/05/2014 11:50:49 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: ifinnegan

I dunno.

Is the Pope?


6 posted on 01/05/2014 11:52:13 AM PST by Gamecock (Celebrating 20,000 posts of dubious quality.)
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To: Gamecock

Francis has, most unfortunately and at a time when the world desperately needs a moral leader, a bitter disappointment and a fool!

He is the liberation theology guy who thinks that Islam is truly ‘a religion of peace.’ I honestly think Francis believes that Marxism is preferable to a capitalistic society.

Just another mistake racked up by a suffering, convoluted Church that naturally followed Vatican II and all its absurdities. Everything good was tossed out the window.


7 posted on 01/05/2014 11:54:40 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: Gamecock

Sounds like the Pope hasn’t embraced diversity ih his hiring practices


8 posted on 01/05/2014 12:03:26 PM PST by Dr. Pritchett
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To: IbJensen
"Francis has, most unfortunately and at a time when the world desperately needs a moral leader, a bitter disappointment and a fool!"

He is great for the world. What you want is a political shill and he fails that test.

9 posted on 01/05/2014 12:04:26 PM PST by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: Gamecock

In San Francisco, in the 80s at least, gay guys were becoming priests because it gave them “cover” to abuse one another and kids in their parishes. I actually knew a couple of them….total disgraces to the church, the priesthood, and to humanity.

And yes, they were terrible priests, egoMONSTERS who expected to be treated like little gods. I’M A PRIEST and you’re not attitude. I’ve seen it in upscale stores too: I WORK AT SAKS, and you don’t. Such idiots.


10 posted on 01/05/2014 12:12:41 PM PST by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: Gamecock

What exactly is wrong with this? There have been many clericalist, tyrannical pastors (both Catholic and Protestant) who only saw getting ahead as their main goal. So it’s wrong for the Pope to criticize them?


11 posted on 01/05/2014 12:25:45 PM PST by livius
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To: Gamecock

This gives an entirely different perspective to the Pope’s words.

(Although I wish he would make an attempt to control his message.)


12 posted on 01/05/2014 12:26:49 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: Gamecock

Rather, Pope Francis is warning against what is called “clericalism” which is a form of being a part of the world.


13 posted on 01/05/2014 12:27:34 PM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: livius

AMEN, I second it.

Cannot blame Pope Francis on this. I wish that there was LESS of a BIG DEAL made over this by a number of posters in the Catholic threads.

Even Jesus warned the phariesses against it in the Gospels.


14 posted on 01/05/2014 12:30:17 PM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Veto!

And that’s exactly what he said. People like the ones you have described should not even be accepted into the seminary.

Needless to say, the womynpriest contingent that ended up in charge of the seminaries, especially in CA, were essentially fag hags and loved overtly gay guys, so the seminaries filled up with them. (I lived in SF during that time, so I know this very well!)

I think what he’s saying is that somebody with a bad track record shouldn’t even get into seminary.

Interestingly, I read that most seminarians now are from single-child homes and many of them have divorced parents. Once upon a time, you couldn’t even have gotten into seminary, except perhaps in a severe, cloistered religious order, if you came from a dysfunctional background.

I’m not saying that’s good or even possible, now that everybody is from a divorced home and even many Catholics are from one-child families. But they used to monitor a person’s past more severely, and they should do that again.

BTW, if somebody doesn’t get into seminary, they can still go on to be holy in many other ways. The father of Therese of Lisieux couldn’t become a priest because, IIRC, he simply couldn’t learn Latin, which was required in those days. But he produced a great saint.

I think Pope Francis would like to go back to this, where being a member of the clergy is not the most important thing in Christian life.


15 posted on 01/05/2014 12:34:08 PM PST by livius
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To: Veto!

I remember talking to a parish priest in Southern California about a matter of Baptism. He was condescending to us, a real turn-off.

That priest turned out to be the worst faggot priest in the entire Los Angeles Archdiocese child sex scandal, was defrocked and served a prison sentence.


16 posted on 01/05/2014 12:34:28 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: All

God Bless Pope Francis!


17 posted on 01/05/2014 12:34:40 PM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: livius

I didn’t comment on this article. Why are you asking me?


18 posted on 01/05/2014 12:36:19 PM PST by Gamecock (Celebrating 20,000 posts of dubious quality.)
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To: livius

I sense God called Pope Francis to the leadership of Pope as a servant of the Lord who is working with the Lord to bring a more simple holiness to the Church, or to make the Church simplier. He is doing the Lord’s will in a much needed house cleaning.


19 posted on 01/05/2014 12:37:55 PM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: livius

Good observation.

I sense Pope Francis is also preaching that the call to holiness is a call for ALL believers in the Church, not just the clergy.


20 posted on 01/05/2014 12:40:51 PM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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