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Does Francis have a Marxism problem?
Crisis Magazine ^ | 1/10/14 | David Byrne

Posted on 01/12/2014 11:54:16 AM PST by DavidThomas

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1 posted on 01/12/2014 11:54:16 AM PST by DavidThomas
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To: DavidThomas

IMO yes and he will only turn on the ignorant. Makes it tough to be Catholic right now.


2 posted on 01/12/2014 11:57:52 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: DavidThomas

Yes, Captain Obvious. He most certainly does.


3 posted on 01/12/2014 11:58:39 AM PST by MIchaelTArchangel (Have a wonderful day!)
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To: DavidThomas

The more that governments and society take care of the needy, the less the church has to expend on those obligations.

It’s the reverse side of capitalism. Save your money by having government do the work.


4 posted on 01/12/2014 11:59:08 AM PST by gortklattu (God knows who is best, everybody else is making guesses - Tony Snow)
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To: DavidThomas

Yes, Captain Obvious. He most certainly does.

Next question, please.


5 posted on 01/12/2014 12:03:06 PM PST by MIchaelTArchangel (Have a wonderful day!)
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To: DavidThomas
the most powerful intellectual system since Christianity

Shaking my head. Since when did envy merit being called an intellectual system, much less a powerful one.

6 posted on 01/12/2014 12:05:38 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: DavidThomas; Salvation

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7 posted on 01/12/2014 12:10:38 PM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: DavidThomas
A friend of my mom was a nun In Brazil. Oh yeh....pure Marxist.

We are supposed to sell what we have and give it to the wanting...

Of course, Catholics have been supporting her all her life.

8 posted on 01/12/2014 12:12:14 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: DavidThomas

It’s a mistake to criticize a Pope’s pronouncements. It’s sort of like Bill O’Reilly challenging the Pope to “come on the Factor” and defend himself.


9 posted on 01/12/2014 12:14:31 PM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: DavidThomas

Does Francis have a Marxism problem?

No, he does not.

“Ultimately, many believed Jesus was the one who had come to deliver them from the Roman oppressors. And yet others said, “Isn’t this the son of a carpenter?”

So too, many have misunderstood who this bouncer-turned-cardinal-turned-pope is. Some believe he has come to “at last” set the Church free from the patriarchal oppression of past popes. Others say he is the new champion of Liberation Theology.

Some say a conservative, others a liberal, still others a Marxist or one of the Communists.

But when Jesus asked who do you say that I am? Peter replied, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the Living God.”2

Who, really, is Pope Francis? In his own words, “I am a son of the Church.”

PREPARING FOR PASSION

After Jesus entered Jerusalem and the din of praise simmered, His true mission began to be revealed—to the dismay of the people. His first act was to cleanse the temple, overturning the tables of the money-changers and seats of the sellers. The very next thing?

The blind and the lame approached him in the temple area, and he cured them. (Matt 21:14)

After being elected, Pope Francis set about preparing his first Apostolic Exhortation, Evangelii Gaudium. In it, the Holy Father likewise began turning over the tables of the money-changers, attacking “an economy [that] kills” and the “dictatorship of an impersonal economy lacking a truly human purpose.”4 His words, based on the Church’s social doctrine, were an indictment particularly of “unbridled consumerism” and a corrupt stock exchange system that has created “a new tyranny” and a “deified market”, “a new idolatry of money” where “ethics has come to be viewed with a certain scornful derision.”5

His accurate and stinging depiction of the imbalance in wealth and power immediately (and predictably) drew the anger and ire of those who had only applauded him weeks before.

As for the Pope, he continued to shun opulence, choosing instead to be with the people.

I prefer a Church which is bruised, hurting and dirty because it has been out on the streets, rather than a Church which is unhealthy from being confined and from clinging to its own security. —POPE FRANCIS, Evangelii Gaudium, n. 49

It was after His entry into Jerusalem, also, that Jesus taught the “greatest commandment”: to “love the Lord, your God, with all your heart… and your neighbour as yourself.”6 Likewise, the Holy Father made “love of neighbour” through service to the poor and evangelization central themes of his Exhortation.

But after exhorting the people to live the great commandments, Jesus did something else seemingly out of character: he publicly denounced the Scribes and Pharisees in no uncertain terms calling them “hypocrites… blind guides… whitewashed tombs…” and took them to task for seeking titles,7 keeping silent,8 and self-indulgence.9

Likewise, the gentle Pope Francis has also boldly challenged those who have lost the meaning of authentic Christian love, most especially the clergy. He has admonished those who are “obsessed with the transmission of a disjointed multitude of doctrines to be imposed insistently.”10 He has criticized religious and clergy for buying new vehicles encouraging them to “choose a more humble one.”11 He has lamented those who take “over the space of the Church” for “programmes of self-help and self-realization” and12 churchmen with a “business mentality, caught up with management, statistics, plans and evaluations whose principal beneficiary is not God’s people but the Church as an institution.”13 He has called out the “worldliness” of the Church that leads to “complacency and self-indulgence.”14 He has framed homilists who do not properly prepare their sermons as being “dishonest and irresponsible” and even “a false prophet, a fraud, a shallow impostor.”15 He described those who promote and imbibe clericalism as “little monsters.”16 And, as for titles, Francis, in an effort to curb careerism in the Church, has abolished the honor of “Monsignor” for secular priests under the age of 65.17 Last, the Holy Father is planning to renovate the Curia, which no doubt, will upset the balance of power that has built-up over years among many “career Catholics.”

http://www.markmallett.com/blog/francis-and-the-coming-passion-of-the-church

The entire article is well worth the read. ;-)


10 posted on 01/12/2014 12:21:27 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: SumProVita

Thanks for that.


11 posted on 01/12/2014 12:26:58 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: DavidThomas

Capitalism without God is just as bad as Socialism without God.

This is the root cause of many of our problems since the cultural revolution of the 1960’s.

The Pope is speaking on this just as JP2 called out Communism for its failures.


12 posted on 01/12/2014 12:28:02 PM PST by crusher2013
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To: DavidThomas

This is the first article I have read where the author has some idea of what Marxism was and is. All the others especially those who won’t read the article and respond to the headline and especially that much worshipped radio blabbermouth who declared that what the Pope expressed is “pure Marxism” speak out of nothing more or less but pure ignorance.


13 posted on 01/12/2014 12:30:49 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: DavidThomas

Somehow “income” is like the money on a collection plate, no one knows exactly where it comes from or what it took to produce it. The only question is how/who to “redistribute” this strange stuff called “income”.


14 posted on 01/12/2014 12:37:52 PM PST by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: DavidThomas
Capitalism is so powerful, it is the root of all realty. Philosophers call the study of reality metaphysics and Marx’s metaphysics can be defined in two words: Economic determinism. All history, political systems, ideas, morality, religion, elections, laws, war and vast amounts of other human behavior are guided by economics.

Statements like this mean the writer s a philosophical quack. Capitalism is not God.

Capitalism is an economic system. It is not the root of reality. Saying otherwise proves you don't know what metaphysics is.

15 posted on 01/12/2014 12:43:00 PM PST by Bayard
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

You are most welcome. It becomes more and more important to understand our times from a more spiritual perspective. :-)


16 posted on 01/12/2014 12:51:06 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: SumProVita

What a magnificent post!


17 posted on 01/12/2014 1:04:33 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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To: DavidThomas

Capitalism is a political philosophy that privileges and promotes policies which benefit capital. Why anyone would worship that is mind-boggling to me.


18 posted on 01/12/2014 1:05:45 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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-— Why anyone would worship that is mind-boggling to me. -—

Capitalism is a pejorative Marxist term. What conservatives uphold is private property and the free market, which is simply people freely trading goods and services. Its part of the natural order.


19 posted on 01/12/2014 1:10:21 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Exactly, and it leads to the frightening concept of human “capital,” rather than free individuals making free moral choices.


20 posted on 01/12/2014 1:20:27 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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