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1 posted on 01/14/2014 12:05:53 PM PST by matthewrobertolson
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I was plugging along and then came to the purgatory piece and said “oh boy, lost me.”


2 posted on 01/14/2014 12:09:53 PM PST by redleghunter
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Please tell me you did not proof these verses before posting? The author of this piece should be flogged by an albino monk a few times for this one:

"The Eucharist, a gift from God (Revelation 16:6), shows that we are with the Church."

Now the context of the Revelation 16:6:

Revelation 16:

4 Then the third angel poured out his bowl on the rivers and springs of water, and they became blood. 5 And I heard the angel of the waters saying:

“You are righteous, O Lord, The One who is and who was and who is to be, Because You have judged these things. 6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, And You have given them blood to drink. For it is their just due.”

7 And I heard another from the altar saying, “Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are Your judgments.”

This is a punishment and not a blessing. Has nothing to do with the Eucharist (Thanksgiving).

I would not expect a Catholic agency to put out such "bulleted" verses out of context to put forth Roman doctrine. I mean only fundamentalists jigsaw puzzle verses together to build a theology...right?

3 posted on 01/14/2014 12:31:29 PM PST by redleghunter
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>> Without sanctification, no one will see the Lord<<

Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life." (John 5:24)

Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified>/b>.

Rom. 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness,"

Rom. 5:1, "therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,"

Romans 9:30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

It's a done deal Y'all. None of the purgatory nonsense.

6 posted on 01/14/2014 1:16:50 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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I’m consistantly amazed and the division, from the devil, that many partake of here at FR, both Catholic & Protestant.
I agree with most all the points, but I am not Catholic.
Consentrate on our similarities folks! Do you beliueve in salvation thru Christ alone? Is He the Way, the Truth, and the Light?
That is what is really important!


7 posted on 01/14/2014 1:22:29 PM PST by vpintheak (Thankful to be God blessed & chosen!)
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>>Jesus Christ knew that many would argue over the Eucharist<<

Jesus says.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

But Catholics say: No, no, no, it’s the real flesh that we have to eat.

8 posted on 01/14/2014 1:24:01 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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>>Those who believe that Abraham was saved by "faith alone"<<

Romans 9:30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. 31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Catholics do stumble at that faith thing don’t they.

10 posted on 01/14/2014 1:29:27 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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Born-again Christians believe in works, too. But we don’t believe that we and Jesus are saving us, but Jesus alone. We believe in works, but only as the fruit of our salvation. Jesus said that you’ll know those who are His and those who aren’t by their works. That means the fruit of their whole lives, not just a matter of “good deeds.” Salvation is a matter of agreeing with God, including believing that our salvation depends on Jesus alone.


22 posted on 01/14/2014 4:18:10 PM PST by Faith Presses On
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Those who believe that Abraham was saved by “faith alone” in Genesis 15:6 should read about his prior works in Genesis 12-14.
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Well let’s see what God has to say...

“faith alone”

Abram believed the LORD, and He credited it to him as righteousness. Genesis 15:6

Well how much righteousness does one need ???

Abraham was “credited” with righteousness...100%...he didn’t need any more..

and now the New Testament ..

The real children of Abraham, then, are those who put their faith in God. Galatians 3:7

Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.” Galatians 3:8

So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith. Galatians 3:9

Now, is this blessing only for the Jews, or is it also for uncircumcised Gentiles? Well, we have been saying that Abraham was counted as righteous by God because of his faith. Romans 4:9

So the promise is received by faith. It is given as a free gift. And we are all certain to receive it, whether or not we live according to the law of Moses, if we have faith like Abraham’s. For Abraham is the father of all who believe. Romans 4:16

For the Scriptures tell us, “Abraham believed God, and God counted him as righteous because of his faith.” Romans 4:3

And because of Abraham’s faith, God counted him as righteous. Romans 4:22


27 posted on 01/14/2014 8:11:26 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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It is dangerous to emphasize “safety and joy” or “eternal security” in the context of salvation
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“IT IS FINISHED” (The LORD Jesus Christ) John 19:30


28 posted on 01/14/2014 8:16:33 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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