Scientists Claim That Quantum Theory Proves Consciousness Moves To Another Universe At Death

Spirit, Science and Metaphysics ^

[DaveMSmith]

A book titled “Biocentrism: How Life and Consciousness Are the Keys to Understanding the Nature of the Universe“ has stirred up the Internet, because it contained a notion that life does not end when the body dies, and it can last forever. The author of this publication, scientist Dr. Robert Lanza who was voted the 3rd most important scientist alive by the NY Times, has no doubts that this is possible.

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The theory implies that death of consciousness simply does not exist. It only exists as a thought because people identify themselves with their body. They believe that the body is going to perish, sooner or later, thinking their consciousness will disappear too. If the body generates consciousness, then consciousness dies when the body dies. But if the body receives consciousness in the same way that a cable box receives satellite signals, then of course consciousness does not end at the death of the physical vehicle. In fact, consciousness exists outside of constraints of time and space. It is able to be anywhere: in the human body and outside of it. In other words, it is non-local in the same sense that quantum objects are non-local.

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He adds: “If they’re not revived, and the patient dies, it’s possible that this quantum information can exist outside the body, perhaps indefinitely, as a soul.”

[Agamemnon]

"Biocentrism teaches that life and consciousness are fundamental to the universe. It is consciousness that creates the material universe, not the other way around.

"Lanza points to the structure of the universe itself, and that the laws, forces, and constants of the universe appear to be fine-tuned for life, implying intelligence existed prior to matter.

Whoa! Quite a rich admission there for the "3rd most important thinker" on this subject, isn't it? Materialist evolutionists claim that it's matter first, consciousness later. Materialists create themselves with matter and this guy creates himself with his own consciousness, I guess.

Still, here's where he goes off the rails and effectively strays into Hinduism:

"This means that a dead person while traveling through the same tunnel ends up not in hell or in heaven, but in a similar world he or she once inhabited, but this time alive. And so on, infinitely.

So basically what he's saying is this:

"I have been around from the beginning (whenever that was), because my consciousness (whatever that is) has been there from the beginning, ergo, I am my own creator. I am my own god. And I am as eternal as anything else is. Boom! I'm outta one body and into another!

"So I in my own conceit simply declare that there is no heaven or hell, because I, the Conscious Essence, will it so! I don't have to answer to a higher authority other than myself. I am my creator. I am my authority."

Yet if that is true and he had to contend with the Laws of Nature to engage in all the evolutionary trial and error that supposedly got him here today, who or what was the Law Giver that established those physical constraints inherent within Natural Law and with which he had to contend in order to allegedly create himself?

Who or what designed or deemed into existence this "fine-tuned" universe into which he believes he can serially re-insert his cognitive essence?

But is one who creates himself within these constraints greater than the Laws and by extension the Law Giver that constrains him?

And at the supposed pinnacle of his received wisdom and cognitive awareness he still can't tell one person how or why he willed the physical world into existence so that his consciousness might create himself.

No one disputes that when we leave our present bodies behind we will all be "conscious" of our then present surroundings. I suspect that on that day this guy will be conscious of the fact that his environment has ticked upwards a quite few degrees in a rather uncomfortable direction.

FReegards!

[Red Boots]

That’s easy! There are many mansions ( levels, or realms of consciousness). Reincarnating souls can go to any of them. At least that’s how it was explained to me in my eastern days.

And yes, there are souls waiting for bodies - it is a conscious choice ( some say a fight for, even) the opportunity to reincarnate into a human body. There are no victims in reincarnation - it’s all your choice- God being the absolute gentleman that he is would never put a soul in a body without it’s consent.

When the kids used to complain that they didn’t ask to be born, I used to say - yes, you did, and right here, too. End of victim story.

[AllAmericanGirl44]

bkmk

[restornu]

Robert Lanza on theory of Biocentrism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zI_F4nOKDSM

Too bad people always gets bog down in nitpicking instead of allowing their knowledge to listen see where their understanding might fit.

If the Bible is always their benchmark then we are to branch out and see what we can.

[restornu]

Atheistic materialism cannot justify knowledge
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXgLGa7anJI

[noinfringers2]

Years ago I had a multiple heart operation, in that several parts of my body were being operated on. This was a second time hospital visit for me for life threatening situations, the first being a victim of the illness that was the cause of death for the Muppets originator Jim Hendrix(?). In both cases I had ‘out of body’ visions or whatever such is called. In both situations there was a guiding visionary spirit. I was allowed to view the very bright space that separated me from the distance but I had to make a choice/decision to go beyond the light. In both cases the “spirit’ did not waste time to come to the conclusion I was not ready by personal inclination or by other purpose to go into through the the light. Obviously I recovered from both situations but the second one sticks in my mind like it is still part of me. I have long believed that the body of this time and day is only transitory to another existence because once our atoms are put together an eternal system is created. What and who acts on this system is a personal enigma. I believe a God creator does exist that/which/who has an eternal say.

[ETL]

Sorry, but you weren’t being serious in recommending these 3 guys, were you? The one I suggested people listen to or read up on is an expert in quantum mechanics. He ties it with human consciousness and how the mind operates. These guys seem more like monks or Himalayan gurus.

[caww]

.....”It’s all in the name and who’s promoting it. But it gets down to the fact that there’s nothing new under the sun and the Bible had a leg up on it long before scientists even thought of the stuff”.....

Yes indeed!...Reminds me of the verse ...”He sits on the circle of the world”.... Denoting ‘it’s round’,..... while the people of Columbus’s day viewed the world as flat. It was in there the whole time!

[YHAOS]

Declare the Universe was created by God – Liberals sneer.

Speculate that life was created by the Intelligence of Aliens from another galaxy – Liberals nod sagely.

Thanks for your beeps.

[Elsie]

If the Bible is always their benchmark then we are to branch out and see what we can.

You MORMONs got a LOT more 'benchmark' than Bible.

Why so QUITE about the beloved Book of ABRAHAM?

[Elsie]

And yes, there are souls waiting for bodies - it is a conscious choice ( some say a fight for, even) the opportunity to reincarnate into a human body.

Not souls!!

--MormonDude(Spirit Babies!)

[Elsie]

There are many mansions ( levels, or realms of consciousness).

MormonISM has 3 levels of Heaven and not really any Hell.

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Most MORMONs will end up on Level Two.

That is if Brigham Young is a False Prophet:

"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)

Otherwise; they'll end up someplace they didn't think it was POSSIBLE to go!

[Elsie]

Too bad people always gets bog down in nitpicking instead of allowing their knowledge to listen see where their understanding might fit.

But...

...I thought that it was a FEELING that convinced you that MormonISM was true?

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Enough evidence from LDS, Inc.'s archives has been presented over the years that a person that DID use 'knowledge' would have left JS and the band behind LONG ago.

What's your excuse?

[betty boop]

The barbaric view of reality is mechanistic. It is the easy view of classical science and of common sense. In epistemology mechanism is naive realism, the view that all knowledge is based on unquestionable facts, on apodictically verified truths. In physics mechanism is the view that the universe is clockwork, closed, and entirely predictable on the basis of unchanging laws. In biology, mechanism is the view that all aspects of life, its evolution, our feelings and values, are ultimately explicable in terms of the laws of physics and chemistry. In our legal system, mechanism is the view that the assumption of precise procedural technicalities constitutes perfect justice. In our political system, mechanism is the view that the assertion of finely formulated personal rights constitutes the ideal democracy. In our public administration, it is the view that responsible service manifests itself by the enforcement of finely split bureaucratic regulations. All of these attitudes are the attitudes of barbarians.

Thus the forms that "second realities" generally take nowadays; and the "scientific premises" on which they (fruitlessly!) would like to found their "logic."

One thing this article well underscores is the idea that, if you get your initial premises "wrong," all your following arguments and conclusions will be "wrong," too.

I don't think the author's association of this sort of thing with barbarism is in any way "off the mark.",,,

Thank you so very much for posting this brilliant article, ETL!

[betty boop]

Declare the Universe was created by God — Liberals sneer. ... Speculate that life was created by the Intelligence of Aliens from another galaxy — Liberals nod sagely.

Not to worry, dear friend! "Liberals" are not the measure of All that there Is, let alone of God Himself.

They just like to"fantasize" that sort of thing....

...And will hit a "dead end" with their irrational speculations everytime, sooner or later....

[COBOL2Java]

our bodies and life timeline are really the intersection of our mufti-dimensional selves...

mufti-dimensional selves? Good Lord, don't tell me there's a fatwa involved somewhere...

[YHAOS]

"Not to worry, dear friend! "

I am not (as, of course, you know) LOL!

[hosepipe]

Declare the Universe was created by God – Liberals sneer. Speculate that life was created by the Intelligence of Aliens from another galaxy – Liberals nod sagely.

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Brilliant implications here... not that God is not an alien “itself” from another Galaxy!.. (or some where else)...
The incarnation of life on this planet -OR- the UN-incarnation(so-called death) is at stake..

To think incarnation is all there is... is “the point”..
Some do, others do NOT..

What an image it is from cocoon to butterfly..
Speculation can be fun and profitable..
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[EBH]

From the article: Lanza points to the structure of the universe itself, and that the laws, forces, and constants of the universe appear to be fine-tuned for life, implying intelligence existed prior to matter.

[EBH]

I agree with you. One of the first things they try to teach you in college level sciences is that all things tend towards chaos. But one look around one realizes that it is a false premise...for every thing tends towards chaos...then explain secular evolution?