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Los Angeles Attorney: Many Abuse Claims Against Catholic Priests are ‘Entirely False’
TheMediaReport.com ^ | January 2, 2011 | TheMediaReport.com

Posted on 01/18/2014 11:23:29 AM PST by Salvation

Los Angeles Attorney Declares Rampant Fraud, Many Abuse Claims Against Catholic Priests are ‘Entirely False’

January 2, 2011 By TheMediaReport.com

In a stunning ten-page declaration recently submitted to the Los Angeles County Superior Court, veteran attorney Donald H. Steier stated that his investigations into claims of sexual abuse by Catholic priests have uncovered vast fraud and that his probes have revealed that many accusations are completely false.

Counselor Steier has played a role in over one hundred investigations involving Catholic clergy in Los Angeles. In his missive Mr. Steier relayed:

"One retired F.B.I. agent who worked with me to investigate many claims in the Clergy Cases told me, in his opinion, about ONE-HALF of the claims made in the Clergy Cases were either entirely false or so greatly exaggerated that the truth would not have supported a prosecutable claim for childhood sexual abuse."
(Capital letters are Steier's)

Mr. Steier also added, "In several cases my investigation has provided objective information that could not be reconciled with the truthfulness of the subjective allegations. In other words, in many cases objective facts showed that accusations were false."

Mr. Steier's declaration is a stunner. He is as experienced as anyone in studying the claims of abuse against Catholic clergy in the Los Angeles area. Also among Steier's eye-opening statements:

Steier signed and submitted the declaration "under penalty of perjury" November 30, 2010. Los Angeles County Superior Court officially filed it at 11 a.m. on December 15, 2010.

Steier also took aim at the outspoken advocacy group SNAP (Survivors Network of Those Abused by Priests):

They maintain an interactive Internet website with a user 'Forum' and 'Message Board,' among other features, where people can share detailed information between alleged victims pertaining to identity of specific alleged perpetrators, their alleged 'modus operandi,' and other details of alleged molestation. In effect, a person who wanted to make a false claim of sexual abuse by a priest could go to that website and find a 'blueprint' of factual allegations to make that would coincide with allegations made by other people. Law enforcement also uses the S.N.A.P. website to attempt to locate new victims and allegations against Catholic priests.

Needless to say, SNAP had a fit at the sight of Steier's declaration. In a frantic press statement dated December 13, 2010, SNAP derided Steier's declaration as a "legal maneuver" that was "among the most outrageous and hurtful ever made by a church defense lawyer." In addition to claiming it will file a complaint with the California Bar Association, it demanded that Los Angeles Cardinal Roger Mahony "denounce Steier's claims and to disclose how much archdiocesan money has been paid to Steier." (Gee, the last time I checked, SNAP steadfastly refused to divulge how much of its income is derived from the number of lawyers with whom it closely collaborates!)

Yet there is a glaring absence from SNAP's statement. The organization does not refute nor deny any of the specific claims made by Steier. It simply labels them as "outrageous" and "hurtful." That is hardly a blow to the explosive declaration aired by the veteran attorney.

Yes, Catholic priests terribly abused minors, and bishops failed to stop the harm. That's an undeniable truth. There are few crimes that revolt more than sexual abuse. The abuse of minors is a dark episode that the Church will forever have to live with.

Yet major media outlets have largely ignored a major element to the entire Catholic abuse scandal narrative.

Here is Wall Street Journal writer Dorothy Rabinowitz:

"People have to come to understand that there is a large scam going on with personal injury attorneys, and what began as a serious effort has now expanded to become a huge money-making proposition."

Surprise: Ms. Rabinowitz made her remark in 2005. Since then, the Church has doled out an additional $1 billion in settlements.

Will 2011 be the year that the media finally begins to take a closer look at many of the claims being made? What about the suspicious relationships between SNAP, lawyers, and many in the media? (Vincent Carroll at the Denver Post is a rare voice of acknowledgement: "[F]raudulent or highly dubious accusations are more common than is acknowledged in coverage of the church scandals — although they should not be surprising, given the monumental settlements various dioceses have paid out over the years" (Oct. 10, 2010).)

Stay tuned.



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Los Angeles Attorney Declares Rampant Fraud, Many Abuse Claims Against Catholic Priests are ‘Entirely False’

1 posted on 01/18/2014 11:23:29 AM PST by Salvation
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To: nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; marshmallow; ...
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"One retired F.B.I. agent who worked with me to investigate many claims in the Clergy Cases told me, in his opinion, about ONE-HALF of the claims made in the Clergy Cases were either entirely false or so greatly exaggerated that the truth would not have supported a prosecutable claim for childhood sexual abuse."
(Capital letters are Steier's)

** Catholic Ping!
2 posted on 01/18/2014 11:27:38 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

If there is money to be had, it’s not surprising scammers would jump on.


3 posted on 01/18/2014 11:33:19 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Salvation

I’m not surprised. Take away the financial incentive, and a large number of claims disappear. It’s been a propaganda gold mine for atheist proselytizers and the left, though.


4 posted on 01/18/2014 11:33:49 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Salvation

False abuse claims: even in my little circle, I know of two, personally. I am not surprised.


5 posted on 01/18/2014 11:34:15 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("See something, say something.")
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To: Salvation
NEWS FLASH: Lawyer working for the Roman Catholic Church denies wrong doing. "One retired F.B.I. agent who worked with me to investigate many claims in the Clergy Cases told me, in his opinion, about ONE-HALF of the claims made in the Clergy Cases were either entirely false or so greatly exaggerated

Investigated many claims? And based on that he tell his boss 1/2 are false or exaggerated? Define exaggerated. Kid was only raped once, not twice? How many are exaggerated versus false?

This article is pathetic. Why am I not surprised considering who is paying the attorney fees.

6 posted on 01/18/2014 11:36:20 AM PST by Gamecock (Celebrating 20,000 posts of dubious quality.)
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To: Salvation

No surprise. Unfortunately because of public opinion the only choice is to settle which in most eyes is admission and continues the vicious cycle.


7 posted on 01/18/2014 11:36:54 AM PST by jarwulf
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To: Salvation

I have had gays tell me that some gay organizations openly assist false claimants as a part of their war on the Church.


8 posted on 01/18/2014 11:37:11 AM PST by Wordkraft (Remember who the Collaborators are.)
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To: Salvation

While yes, I am sure there are fraudulent cases, please don’t close your hearts to all the victims there ARE. I have some association with SNAP, and there are wonderful grown men (and women) who can give you excruciating details and names as to their abuse at the hands of clergy (or other authorities). And though the Catholic Church gets the worst rap (I believe because some pedophiles CHOOSE to fake their calling and go Into the priesthood to avoid trappings of normal marriage and to have a higher than thou vantage point and access to young victims), there are pedophiles in the Protestant and in the Jewish — even the orthodox — clergy too.

To use your power, and abuse Gd’s, in order to destroy children is so evil, no house of worship should ever focus on some who want to get in on a scam when there are living, breathing, precious people who have been abused.


9 posted on 01/18/2014 11:41:00 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: Mrs. Don-o

In my little circle, I know of three.

So sad that this happened to innocent priests.


10 posted on 01/18/2014 11:49:17 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Wordkraft

That doesn’t surprise me either....a way to move their homosexual agenda forward.


11 posted on 01/18/2014 11:50:31 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

A defense attorney says half his clients are innocent. Shocker.


12 posted on 01/18/2014 11:52:49 AM PST by Hugin
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To: Salvation

Who is paying/has paid the lawyer?


13 posted on 01/18/2014 11:52:56 AM PST by PAR35
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To: Zhang Fei
It’s been a propaganda gold mine for atheist proselytizers and the left, though.

And protestant FReepers.

14 posted on 01/18/2014 11:53:45 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Salvation

It is a relief to know that only half the reported cases of reported sexual abuse are true and many are somewhat exaggerated.


15 posted on 01/18/2014 11:55:39 AM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: Gamecock

It does suggest a new PR campaign...”We don’t rape half as many kids as you think we do!”


16 posted on 01/18/2014 11:56:20 AM PST by Hugin
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To: Gamecock

**•”I have had accused priest clients take polygraph examinations performed by very experienced former law enforcement experts, including from L.A.P.D., the Sheriff Department, and F.B.I. In many cases the examinations showed my clients’ denial of wrongdoing was ‘truthful,’ and in those cases I offered in writing to the accuser to undergo a similar polygraph examination at my expense. In every case the accuser refused to have his veracity tested by that investigative tool, which is routinely used by intelligence agencies.”**

Did you miss this? The priests passed the lie detector tests, but the accusers refused to take them......hmmm....sounds like those accusers are fraudulent!!


17 posted on 01/18/2014 11:56:25 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Hugin

Please check the dateline of this story. LOL! It’s not new!


18 posted on 01/18/2014 11:57:28 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Yaelle

I agree that prayers are needed for all.


19 posted on 01/18/2014 11:58:26 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

I think it’s been obvious for years that a good number of these claims have been bogus. Not all but many. We need to find ways to sift claims better and a whole lot quicker. Anyone can claim anything and it takes years to resolve. This is not a just system.


20 posted on 01/18/2014 12:00:18 PM PST by faithhopecharity (C)
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To: Hugin

“It does suggest a new PR campaign...”We don’t rape half as many kids as you think we do!””

“And sometimes the kids we do rape tend to exaggerate the extent of said rape trauma suffered said rape.”


21 posted on 01/18/2014 12:03:38 PM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: Salvation

LOL! It’s not new!

So?


22 posted on 01/18/2014 12:05:30 PM PST by Hugin
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To: Salvation; metmom; Alex Murphy

In “many” cases. How many is many? 3? 4?

Not the majority, but many.

The average Roman Catholic on the street will be paying a lot of money by way of tithes for this evil perpetrated on their own children by the Roman Catholic Church.


23 posted on 01/18/2014 12:06:10 PM PST by Gamecock (Celebrating 20,000 posts of dubious quality.)
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To: Hugin
It does suggest a new PR campaign...”We don’t rape half as many kids as you think we do!”

Or alternatively, "It turns out we don't rape nearly as many kids as Protestant ministers, public school teachers, Democrat congressman, and Hollywood producers."
24 posted on 01/18/2014 12:10:29 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: Gamecock

And what about your church?

It is estimated that priests are way down on the list even after Protestant ministers.

Remember that celibacy does not cause this great sin, it’s homosexuality.


25 posted on 01/18/2014 12:10:51 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Gamecock

If it concerns Rome, I would automatically do a spell-check. You know, “trust but VERIFY”. “Many Abuse Claims...” COULD be spelled “MINI Abuse Claims”. I’m just sayin..


26 posted on 01/18/2014 12:11:30 PM PST by smvoice (There are no prizes given for defending the indefensible.)
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To: nickcarraway
If there is money to be had, it’s not surprising scammers would jump on.

Other news: Pope defrocked 400 priests in 2 years, http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/01/17/pope-defrocked-priests/4592907/

Experts to bishops: Pedophiles often lie, but victims usually tell truth: http://www.ohio.com/news/world/experts-to-bishops-pedophiles-often-lie-but-victims-usually-tell-truth-1.263764

Scripture requires zero tolerance:

But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; (Ephesians 5:3)

Any such thing is serious and causes or could cause legitimate offense against the faith, and which most all have to varying degrees, myself included. Yet especially tragic is sexual abuse of children among clergy, even if the greatest occurrence is in the secular realm, especially among educators (if not the homosexual aspect yet as seen among many priests).

And due to lack of internal discipline, it also required the state to engage in punishment. The result is that the State now has little trepidation about getting involved in church matters, and can more easily stand where it ought not.

27 posted on 01/18/2014 12:11:55 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Salvation
No question there is a sex abuse victim cottage industry operating out there. Anyone remotely familiar to the American justice system should take it for granted that the bulk of the claims are pure fraud, just like the bulk of sexual harassment, product safety, and environmental damage cases are pure fraud.

This is not to say that there aren't true victims, just that the public perception that any Catholic priest is almost certainly a gay pedophile is a media-manufactured falsehood.

Let us recall Father Benedict Groschel, who was vilified and booted from catholic media for suggesting that the anti-Catholic hysteria is a huge hoax.

28 posted on 01/18/2014 12:12:02 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Yaelle

“grown men (and women) who can give you excruciating details and names as to their abuse at the hands of clergy (or other authorities).”
The problem that I have that the story brings into focus is the very fact that there exists a “forum” where the details and names are bandied about among potential litigants.


29 posted on 01/18/2014 12:14:17 PM PST by bitterohiogunclinger (Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
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To: Salvation; Gamecock
Salvation, how many times are you going to pull that Rome v. Protestant rabbit out of your hat to try to prove a pointless point? I KNOW I've explained the difference SEVERAL times, and YET...ONE more time...

The DIFFERENCE between RCC abuse and Protestant abuse is the FACT that ROME declares the ability to retain or remit the sins of her followers. Thereby putting the abuse victim at the hands of a PRIEST in order to have their sins forgiven on their "road to salvation". Protestants have no such claim on her followers. DON"T YOU GET IT YET??!

30 posted on 01/18/2014 12:15:53 PM PST by smvoice (There are no prizes given for defending the indefensible.)
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To: Salvation

If they had been reporterd to the police....as they should have been, this second evil wouldn’t occur.


31 posted on 01/18/2014 12:20:28 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Salvation

Duh!..... Of course some are false.. But MOST/many are not..

Seems most all pedophile priests are(seem to be) American...
Other countrys rarely have any of this...

UNLESS!.....................................


32 posted on 01/18/2014 12:25:18 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: fr_freak

Let me know when an organization runs a deliberate conspiracy to coverup and evade punishment for large numbers of child molesters in their ranks, like the church did. I don’t know of any.

I really hope they have cleaned things up, but if they have, they had to be dragged kicking and screaming to do so. And attempts to minimize the damage only make things worse.


33 posted on 01/18/2014 12:25:40 PM PST by Hugin
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To: Salvation

If a priest is accused, he’s guilty. No need for a trial, just lynch him and get it done with.

If a priest isn’t accused, he hasn’t gotten caught yet. But that doesn’t mean he’s any less guilty.

(Sadly, that is the way it is perceived by many)


34 posted on 01/18/2014 12:36:02 PM PST by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: Salvation
Just an anecdote. Take it as you will. About 30 years ago an acquaintance decided he would go into the priesthood. So he left collage and went to whatever school it is that wannabe priests go to. Anyway, saw him a few mo’s later. He had decided that the priesthood wasn't for him.

Why not? He said that “all” of the other candidates were “fairies”.

35 posted on 01/18/2014 12:36:17 PM PST by saleman
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To: annalex

Yes, Father Groeschel got a bum deal.


36 posted on 01/18/2014 12:43:16 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: bitterohiogunclinger

Oh, you mean the ambulance chasing attorneys and future clients check each other out? LOL!


37 posted on 01/18/2014 12:44:41 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Hugin

Sexual Abuse of Children by Protestant Ministers

Report: Protestant Church Insurers Handle 260 Sex Abuse Cases a Year

Abuse by Protestant Ministers of Every Denomination

Child Sexual Molestation by Various Protestant Clergy

Baptist Predators website

"Yeshiva" of Brooklyn also Guilty of Child Abuse

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Teacher's Advocacy of Pedophilia Raises Legal Questions

Teachers and Pedophilia - In YOUR Backyard

Washington Post -- D.C. school officials reported 220 abuse allegations against teachers

Sex Abuse by Teachers Said Worse Than Catholic Church

WHEN BOYS ARE MOLESTED BY TEACHERS AND OTHERS IN POSITIONS OF AUTHORITY

 

Former Manassas teacher to get 25-year term in child-porn case

Forgotten Study: Abuse in School 100 Times Worse than by Priests

 


38 posted on 01/18/2014 12:50:15 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Hugin

The schools cover up much more than anyone else.

Check the link.


39 posted on 01/18/2014 12:50:51 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Hugin
Let me know when an organization runs a deliberate conspiracy to coverup and evade punishment for large numbers of child molesters in their ranks, like the church did.

A "deliberate conspiracy" by the whole Church? You got some evidence to back up that accusation? Or is this just one of those "hey, everybody knows it's true" sort of mentalities? I mean, the TV probably told you there was a conspiracy, and it never lies, right?
40 posted on 01/18/2014 12:53:13 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: Salvation
Pedophilia Only a Catholic Sin?


Has Media Ignored Sex Abuse In School?


Catholic sex abuse facts: Fast Facts from TheMediaReport.com


- It turns out pedophilia is an incorrect term, and Catholics aren't responsible for most of it.
- "[T]hink the Catholic Church has a problem?" she said. "The physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests."
- FACT: Catholic priests abuse at a rate far lower than that of other males in the general population.
41 posted on 01/18/2014 12:53:13 PM PST by Svartalfiar
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To: markomalley

**If a priest is accused, he’s guilty.**

That is exactly what happened in one of the three cases I know of.

Three attorneys attended the trial in Portland — and there were dates to verify when this priest worked for a state institution.

On one — he wasn’t even there yet.

On another — he had already gotten another assignment

On the third accuser — it was another priest who took the youth to view a site when his sister had supposedly drowned.

One of the jurors talked with the attorneys afterward, and the juror’s words from what was spoken in the deliberation room: “He’s a Catholic priest; now let’s prove that he’s guilty.”


42 posted on 01/18/2014 12:54:33 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Gamecock

Not the Church.

Pedophile priests.


43 posted on 01/18/2014 12:55:37 PM PST by Hulka
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To: fr_freak

“I mean, the TV probably told you there was a conspiracy, and it never lies, right? “

And the lack of proof of a conspiracy proves how good the cover-up is. . .


44 posted on 01/18/2014 12:57:38 PM PST by Hulka
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To: saleman

I can give you a long list of seminary links that prove that the emissaries sent by Pope Benedict XVI did indeed happen and the seminaries were cleaned out.

Now future seminariarians have to undergo a two day psychological exam, multiple interview (4 or 5), having parents, priest mentors interviewed, etc., etc. even before he is accepted into the seminary!

So not to worry, OK. Tell you acquaintance that he can go back to that seminary now and find a completely different culture!


45 posted on 01/18/2014 12:58:32 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Hugin
Let me know when an organization runs a deliberate conspiracy to coverup and evade punishment for large numbers of child molesters in their ranks, like the church did. I don’t know of any.

Ever hear of that obscure group called the American public schools? No bigger cover up of child abuse has ever existed.

46 posted on 01/18/2014 1:03:33 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Salvation

No one has ever gotten you to publish the numbers of homosexual rapes by various denominations, why won’t you do that?

So far, it appears that the Catholic denomination suffers from a problem of homosexuality.


47 posted on 01/18/2014 1:04:50 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: Salvation

Fr. Groeschel’s statement was not even about fraud, but about the realities of a priest counseling a gay youth and ending up seduced himself.

It is another case of the sex abuse scandal being a no-free-speech zone in the American media.

This lawyer is a courageous man voicing this.


48 posted on 01/18/2014 1:06:23 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: fr_freak

Over and over again priests who were accused were transferred to other parishes without letting people in the new parish know, and the accusations were hushed up by Bishops. That was standard operating procedure. They had to know it was systemic, and they let it continue until public pressure and the cost of lawsuits became too great. Spin all you want, but minimizing what happened is pathetic.


49 posted on 01/18/2014 1:06:38 PM PST by Hugin
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To: Gamecock

What is pathetic is your constant trolling of any article and post that has ‘Roman Catholic’ in it so you can stop by to bash the Church.

Why don’t you stop being a Catholic bashing bigot? Have you nothing better to do?


50 posted on 01/18/2014 1:07:10 PM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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