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Was Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Saved?
IFB ^ | 1/20/2014

Posted on 01/20/2014 7:53:11 AM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman

Was Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Saved? This is a question that I have often asked myself. There is no doubt that he had the trappings of a “Christian”, but was he saved as the Word of Almighty God requires (Matt. 7:21-23, Rom. 10:2-4)? This is not a black or white issue but a sound biblical one, for in the END that is what life is ALL about.

Yes, Dr. King had a great dream, vision and was fearless about bringing civil rights to America tagically the lawless white and black Left in this country has hijacked and corrupted his vision with victim status and race baiting. His vision is the dream of millions of Americans (red, yellow, black or white) who are looking for "peace" in this fallen and turbulent world (Isa. 9:6, 48:22, 53:5, 57:21, Jer. 8:11, Eph. 2:14, Col. 1:20). The very world it's self is seeking to achieve this "peace", unity, harmony and oneness, but sadly they leave out one key and crucial piece to this utopian equation... ALMIGHTY GOD and His RIGHTEOUSNESS!

No matter how noble, no matter how heroic, no matter how virtuous, no matter how selfless, no matter how passionate, no matter how courageous, no matter one's color etc.. etc... When anyone (red, yellow, black or white) leaves out the ETERNAL Creator from time’s hopeless dilemma and His ETERNAL absolutes of RIGHTEOUSNESS all is doomed (Eccl. 12:13-14, Rev. 20:11-15)! There are NO utopias here and there will NEVER be, yet the world in their subjective GODLESS delusion seeks to achieve this la-la land fantasy with relativism, lawlessness, decadence and Machiavellianism. This world seeks true peace through the labors of lawlessness, but in the end all they find is endless war and oppression (Isa. 48:22, 57:21). History is full of valiant men and women who sought to make this fallen world a better place and in some ways they have and we thank Almighty God for them, but in the light of ETERNITY if they knew not the Savior of the world it was ALL vanity and these noble - yet unregenerate men - must stand before their Creator in that Day to give an account (Eccl.). Good and noble deeds with all of its works can NEVER manufacture the PERFECT RIGHTEOUSNESS demand by Almighty God for fallen man and tragically that is how this world perceives and deceives themselves about the last Day (Rom. 6:23, 10:2-4, Eph. 2:8-9, Rev. 20:11-15).A broken egg is still a broken egg no matter what good it was used for.

We need as Adam’s offspring (race) to see things from Almighty God’s ETERNAL perspective. We need to fully understand - as a human race (Adam’s offspring) - that this world is NOT our home (Rom. 5:12). For in the final end, ETERNITY is the final destination of ALL mankind. Whether rich or poor, black or white, man or women, virtuous or vile, saved or unsaved (Heb. 9:27), either a child of Adam HAS the required RIGHTEOUSNESS of Almighty God provided by His Son or He does not. That is the cross road of this world. Either you will receive Almighty God’s propitiation in spirit and in truth or you will not (John 3:16-17, 1 John 2:2, 4:10). It is just that simple.

"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. (John 3:36)” . “He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life (1 John 5:12)”

Below is a link to a paper written by a black author and believer in Jesus Christ. It was very insightful and uses Almighty God’s infallible Word to discern whether Dr. King was a true believer in Jesus Christ based on the teachings and sound doctrine of the Bible. I thought this was excellent and wanted to share this with you.

The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!


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1 posted on 01/20/2014 7:53:11 AM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

I don’t even get the premise of these kinds of articles. He either was or he wasn’t. Way above my pay grade and between God and MLK.


2 posted on 01/20/2014 7:58:09 AM PST by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

Since neither you nor I know his heart, it is a pointless question about a dead man


3 posted on 01/20/2014 8:10:00 AM PST by Nifster
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

It’s irrelevant now. He’s dead. If he wasn’t, that’s extremely sad. If he was, then the saved will see him in heaven one day. Why speculate on the faith of a dead man. We should be more concerned with the deeds of the living...we have plenty to be concerned about.


4 posted on 01/20/2014 8:10:36 AM PST by Politicalkiddo (Forgiveness is the fragrance that the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it. -M. Twain)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman
Was Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Saved? This is a question that I have often never asked myself.
5 posted on 01/20/2014 8:10:36 AM PST by Tax-chick (What did you think would happen?)
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To: DariusBane; The Ignorant Fisherman

The point of such articles is to encourage the reader to contemplate the real issues of life and ignore the popular press trying to idealize the “hero”. Perhaps it will stimulate one person to the thoughts of eternity and the bankruptcy of “good intentions” or “human interest”. Perhaps they will read the Scriptures for themselves and find life...if God so directs.


6 posted on 01/20/2014 8:12:01 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

Here’s a Christian value for you:

Judge not, least you be judged.

This is specifically with regard to a person’s soul, and has little to do with observed behavior.


7 posted on 01/20/2014 8:17:23 AM PST by G Larry
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To: DariusBane
Way above my pay grade and between God and MLK.

I'd tend to agree. But I constantly get in conflicts with the self-appointed fundies on this forum who claim to speak for God in one breath and pounce on any sect who even suggests having such authority in the next.

8 posted on 01/20/2014 8:24:47 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

I listened to King a few times, i did not get the idea that he was a Christian, but not for me to decide.


9 posted on 01/20/2014 8:29:55 AM PST by ravenwolf
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

“Was Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Saved?”
In my opinion, that is between Rev King and God. It is not your or my decision as to whether he was saved. That decision is God’s alone.


10 posted on 01/20/2014 8:34:18 AM PST by Tupelo (I am feeling more like Philip Nolan every day)
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To: G Larry

G,

Here’s one for you my friend... If you do “judge” then judge RIGHTOUESLY. Do you not judge liberals and progressives all the time? How about President Obama? How Hillary on Benghazi? etc... How about what you eat and do not eat. Are you not making judgments? You as an individual are making judgments based on standards, moral absolutes and absolutes all the time. A Man is known by his works.. that is what Jesus stated (Matt 7:15-23). We are as Christians to make judgments based on biblical absolutes. If you read the post you would see that we never made a judgment about MLKJ eternal estate. It was put out there to cause you and others to see if YOU are saved? Are you? If we as a nation and conservatives choose to see God’s RIGHTEOUS Word as mere relativism then we are judging ourselves that we are but fools.

Sadly the ones who throw out that ‘Judge not” Bible verse as Bill O’Reilly does… show how clueless they are about the Bible and Almighty God’s RIGHTEOUS demands.

Have you ever taken the Gospel of John Challenge? Take this challenge and judge and see for yourself... and if you reject what you have taken then at least say to yourself that I reject it but that is what the Bible clearly states.

Remember TRUE Christians are those who have judged themselves and found that they are bankrupt of Almighty God’s RIGHTEOUS requirements and need a Savior (John 3:16-17, Rom. 7, 24-25, 10:2-4). Don’t be afraid to look up the Bible verses and see for yourself.

Take the challenge and see and then make your judgment.

Thanks for your reply!

http://www.theignorantfishermen.com/2009/04/take-gospel-of-john-challenge.html


11 posted on 01/20/2014 8:40:17 AM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: G Larry

You are way off.

That quote is in the context of hypocritical judging, addressed to the crowds that included the Pharisees who looked down on the people and judged them according to their own standards.

Christians are supposed to judge with righteous judgment and according to the Word of God; they are supposed to have discernment because they are in the Word of God, believe the Word of God, and obey the Word of God.


12 posted on 01/20/2014 8:42:41 AM PST by TurkeyLurkey
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

I think we’re saying the same thing.

Judging behavior is ok.

Judging someone’s soul, is NOT ok.


13 posted on 01/20/2014 8:43:23 AM PST by G Larry
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To: TurkeyLurkey

see post 13


14 posted on 01/20/2014 8:44:31 AM PST by G Larry
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman
lets not assume. that was between him and his maker.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

15 posted on 01/20/2014 8:55:25 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: G Larry
Here’s a Christian value for you:

Judge not, least you be judged.

Actually, that "value" is one of THE most misquoted verses in the Bible. Obviously, God's judgement alone determines ones eternal destiny, however does that mean we are meant to know nothing for sure, since all knowledge depends on making inferences and judgments?

To take an extreme example: Was Hitler a Christian? He was baptized (so what?) but repeatedly, in private usually, indicated he was an atheist, and never made a confession of Christ to his dying day.....AND of course never repented from his monstrous crimes and murders of tens of millions.... So as far as humans can know, Hitler was certainly not a Christian. In saying that am I "judging" in a way Jesus condemned? Certainly not! Just speaking the obvious.

Here's what Jesus said about judgment IN CONTEXT:

“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye." (Matthew 7:1-6)

Jesus was condemning judgmentalism....that is self-righteous people LOOKING for small faults in others, while ignoring much bigger faults in themselves. Clearly He was speaking to the motivation for fault-finding, NOT saying we can never make moral judgments about the souls and the behavior of others....rather before doing so, we better take a good look at ourselves--and make sure we're clear, before helping (emphasis on HELPING) others take specks from their own eyes.

Obviously with M.L. King, and all the dead, we cannot help them correct themselves, however, given the total hero-worship given him--and inaccurate portrayals, especially in the black community, that he could do no wrong--I think it is very useful to make an accurate assessment of the man, and his Christian testimony given, and especially, since it is politically incorrect to do so.

I have read evangelical Christian leaders (especially British ones, interestingly) lauding the great Christian faith that moved M.L. King to push for desegregation and social reforms...calling him in essence a great evangelical Christian. However the evidence that I've seen and read says otherwise.

Like a Jefferson, or a Thomas Paine, M.L. King surely did some great things--and was used by God to bring justice to America--however he was not a Christian, and we do harm by pretending that he was. Here's the link referred to above, and left out, of a paper by an African American woman, proving by M.L. King's own words, his beliefs about Jesus:

Was Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. a Christian?

16 posted on 01/20/2014 8:58:25 AM PST by AnalogReigns (Real life is ANALOG!)
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To: TurkeyLurkey

someone judgmental of me to my face, will find himself with his butt on the ground spitting out teeth.


17 posted on 01/20/2014 9:00:33 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

The only way you’ll ever know is if you get to Heaven yourself. And at that point, I doubt you’d care.


18 posted on 01/20/2014 9:04:37 AM PST by IronJack
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To: AnalogReigns
NOT saying we can never make moral judgments about the souls and the behavior of others....rather before doing so, we better take a good look at ourselves—and make sure we're clear, before helping (emphasis on HELPING) others take specks from their own eyes.

well how about this...
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

then go to #17

19 posted on 01/20/2014 9:05:05 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: DariusBane

My friend, thanks for your reply!

Firstly if you read the full post it is a challenge to you and to others to see if you are (saved) as the Bible clearly teaches. We must see the ETERNAL for all we are is dust in the wind... Also it is a challenge for all to seek the Lord and study His Word for there is where all of Life’s answers are found. Noble men die in their transgression too when they reject Almighty God’s RIGHTEOUS propitiation for their sins (John 3:16-17, 1 John 4:10)! And lastly it is to get people to think out of our subjective world and life and see the ETERNAL. Have you ever though about after you die? That is the challenge to all (Rev. 1:18)

http://www.theignorantfishermen.com/2009/04/take-gospel-of-john-challenge.html

http://www.theignorantfishermen.com/2009/04/take-gospel-of-john-challenge.html


20 posted on 01/20/2014 9:15:38 AM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: G Larry

yes and again the challenge is to see if you and I are safe for ETERNITY as the bible clearly teaches no matter how noble one is.

Thanks for you thoughts!


21 posted on 01/20/2014 9:17:09 AM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: Vaquero

You, like so many others are missing the point of this topic. To decide whether my children should look up to a certain person’s character has zero to do with throwing the first stone. Jesus said “beware of the leaven of the Pharisees.” Paul the Apostle warned about certain evil men who if they didn’t repent were condemned. The martyr Steven in the book of Acts accused men of crucifying Jesus.
The people of the United States of America did wrong in “forgiving” Bill Clinton in that it was not at all about forgiveness; the missed opportunity is: “Who shall we follow?” (He ought to have been removed from office to protect this country, not to judge him.)
It is about choosing our leaders and heroes. It has nothing to do with throwing a stone and injuring or killing the subject.


22 posted on 01/20/2014 9:20:37 AM PST by Repent and Believe (Promote good. Tolerate the harmless. Let evil be crushed.)
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To: Vaquero

My friend if you read the post it is not saying if he is or if he is not... it is a challenge for you to consider if you are or not based on the Word of God...

We all are guilty and that is why we need a Savior? A true Christian is one who has judged themselves and has testified to the entire world that I am guilty and need Almighty God’s Savior to save my soul. (Rom. 3:23, 10:2-4, 1 John 4:10).

That is the personal challenge!


23 posted on 01/20/2014 9:21:46 AM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: IronJack

My friend if you read the post it is not saying if he is or if he is not... it is a challenge for you to consider if you are or not based on the Word of God...

We all are guilty and that is why we need a Savior? A true Christian is one who has judged themselves and has testified to the entire world that I am guilty and need Almighty God’s Savior to save my soul. (Rom. 3:23, 10:2-4, 1 John 4:10).

He has made his decision and I have made mine (John 1:12, Acts 16:28-31). Have you made yours? That is the personal challenge to every one of this post!


24 posted on 01/20/2014 9:24:43 AM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: Vaquero

You’re a real tough guy.


25 posted on 01/20/2014 9:31:08 AM PST by TurkeyLurkey
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To: Repent and Believe

I can find enough marxist liberal components in MLK (even though he claimed to be a Republican) to not want to celebrate much of his life.

I do not play the WWJD game when it comes to someone’s soul.

to quote:

“We must rapidly begin the shift from a ‘thing-oriented’ society to a ‘person-oriented’ society. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, materialism, and militarism are incapable of being conquered.”

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.


26 posted on 01/20/2014 9:31:26 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: TurkeyLurkey

please don’t misrepresent me.

I put up with a lot. haven’t had a fist fight in 38 years. but if a guy tells me I am going to hell,(not as a guy jest kind of thing, but straight out condemning me for some perceived sins) Then no quarter, You have crossed a line.

if a woman says it.....I just laugh.


27 posted on 01/20/2014 9:38:13 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

“My friend if you read the post it is not saying if he is or if he is not”

What the? It’s certainly asking and you provide a reference to someone who has the answer. The question is the title of the piece.

“Was Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Saved? This is a question that I have often asked myself. There is no doubt that he had the trappings of a “Christian”, but was he saved as the Word of Almighty God requires”

“Below is a link to a paper written by a black author and believer in Jesus Christ. It was very insightful and uses Almighty God’s infallible Word to discern whether Dr. King was a true believer in Jesus Christ based on the teachings and sound doctrine of the Bible.”


28 posted on 01/20/2014 9:40:01 AM PST by Fuzz
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To: Fuzz
I question is many of the posters read the writeup about King that was linked to in the posted article. Here's the link. It quotes many of King's writings where he admits he didn't believe in the virgin birth, the deity of Christ, or the resurrection of Christ. Excellent article.
29 posted on 01/20/2014 10:02:07 AM PST by aimhigh
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

I cannot say I personally knew him, but my HS English teacher knew him very well. She actually went door to door with him in Atlanta canvassing the neighborhoods there. Based on her testimony I would say that Doctor King was definitely a Christian.

That said, no one knows till we get there and this kind of article is completely useless and I don not see how it promotes the Kingdom of Christ. We all need to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling.


30 posted on 01/20/2014 10:17:58 AM PST by Boiler Plate ("Why be difficult, when with just a little more work, you can be impossible" Mom)
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To: Vigilanteman

Same here.

It is not for us to know in this life.

It is by “fruits” that we shall know.


31 posted on 01/20/2014 10:36:56 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Boiler Plate

Thank-you for making my day with your comments.


32 posted on 01/20/2014 10:37:47 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

He is not a Dr.

That is a made-up title.

See http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/01/call_him_reverend_king.html

And his name was Michael prior to his dad changing his name.


33 posted on 01/20/2014 10:41:53 AM PST by bestintxas (Obamacare = Obamascrewed)
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To: bestintxas

He was a PhD, earned in 1955. Go read the article.


34 posted on 01/20/2014 10:56:11 AM PST by BRK
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To: Vigilanteman

Posting in the religious forum ranks right up against land wars in asia as far as risky behavior goes.


35 posted on 01/20/2014 11:39:32 AM PST by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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To: Vigilanteman

I think it is the anti-Christian, Polytheistic Mormon Cult that draws that kind of attention from Christians of all persuasions, I don’t know which Christians you are attacking as “fundies”, perhaps MLK’s denomination, I guess you are the “self-appointed” attacker of them, and wanted to interject your anti-Christian attack on this thread.


36 posted on 01/20/2014 11:41:00 AM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: BRK

MLK didn’t actually “earn” a PHD, normally his would have been withdrawn.


37 posted on 01/20/2014 11:44:03 AM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

Interestingly, this question comes up each year — or rather, I should say, it’s one I think about each year and discuss with my husband. I teach at a private Christian school and the assumption there is to emulate him as a fellow believer. When I have sent links to the powers that be regarding these very papers of his, it was clear I was treading on dangerous ground. So many believers lack discernment in these areas. They don’t question, but just “accept at face value” and never inquire further. Sad and no wonder, then, that so many in churches are fooled into believing all sorts of nonsense. After reading what he wrote, I have a hard time reconciling it with Christianity as outlined in Scripture. I hope he was a believer, but I’m inclined to believe he was an advocate of a social gospel rather than the Gospel of Christ — much like those favorite race-baiters who carry the title of “Reverend”. Has anyone ever heard them preach Christ crucified? I know I haven’t. For some, the idea that MLK wouldn’t have been a Christian is almost blasphemous because the world idolizes him so, but that should be a tip-off in and of itself. Does the world idolize Christ? Thanks for the reminder. We need it, even if you get blowback here from posting it.


38 posted on 01/20/2014 1:18:17 PM PST by JLLH
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

Only God knew his heart.


39 posted on 01/20/2014 1:28:10 PM PST by Old Yeller
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman
No.
40 posted on 01/20/2014 2:15:14 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: All
I can't believe the stuff I'm reading on this thread. "Rev." Martin Luther King was a religious fraud who never believed any of the traditional supernatural dogmas of chrstianity. Yet this is never brought up by his critics, who choose to dwell on his adulteries and his Communist connections.

While adultery is a capital offense, human nature is weak and he's far from the only preacher who has fallen. As far as Communism is concerned, do you honestly think that American Blacks, for whom only Communists stood up for most of a century, care that he was pro-Communist? They will only ask if Communism is so bad, where were the rest of you when we needed you?

King's unorthodox religious beliefs (showing him a complete fraud as a Baptist) is the one and only issue which might cause Blacks to reassess their opinion of him, yet you're all saying it's no one's business! Why does everyone want to sweep King's phony leftist "theology" under the rug?????

41 posted on 01/20/2014 2:23:35 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

bump


42 posted on 01/20/2014 2:29:42 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

You might want to re-read this thread. Not everyone is saying that. Not everyone is focusing on things other than theology. Not “all”.


43 posted on 01/20/2014 2:35:36 PM PST by JLLH
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

What does it matter?

That’s between him and God.

There’s nothing that can be done about it now.


44 posted on 01/20/2014 2:50:00 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: metmom; The Ignorant Fisherman

I enjoy your posts on the religion forum immensely, but I disagree that it doesn’t matter for the simple fact that he is often held up as a model of Christianity (and often by those who have every reason to know better). I don’t think it’s ever a matter for indifference when famous people are held up as models of the faith — particularly when it’s anything but obvious that they were even believers! Discernment is always of paramount importance in selecting who we put on a pedestal for emulation.


45 posted on 01/20/2014 3:08:35 PM PST by JLLH
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

Just wanted to let you know I actually went to the article linked at your site. Very informative. No wonder our cities are still plagued by liberation theology. LT does not have Christ at its center and that is the problem. LT uses a perceived Jesus Christ which is clearly not the Jesus Christ of the Bible.


46 posted on 01/20/2014 3:39:59 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: metmom

If you go to the site there is a link to another article which lays out King ‘s theology and beliefs. I was surprised he sounded more like a JW or atheist.


47 posted on 01/20/2014 3:55:54 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: metmom
What does it matter?

That’s between him and God.

There’s nothing that can be done about it now.

Et tu, metmom?

Martin Luther King the Baptist minister was a total fraud. He was a typical liberal Protestant who rejected all the historic doctrines.

This needs to be exposed for all to see, not covered up while people continue to yap about adultery and Communism.

48 posted on 01/20/2014 6:00:23 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

MLK claimed to be working for liberty. and notwithstanding the egregious racial bigotry of his time, he should have completely rejected the murderous tyranny of Marxism and communism as an unacceptable palliative in ANY context.
I wish to make it clear that I think that Martin Luther King was a man of enormous courage, charisma, and intellect that profoundly altered the course of American history and made it a better country in so far has its promise of justice for all is concerned.

This does not mean however that his legacy to the Civil Rights movement has been one of unalloyed good. I believe much of his bequeathment resulted in an over reliance on big government statist solutions to problems within the black community that require individual initiatives to correct. Martin Luther King’s frequent references to this nation’s founding documents are well known. His reflections on Communism are much less well known and undoubtedly contributed to his general philosophy. We owe it to ourselves to examine the effects of this legacy and contextualize it so has to solve the problems facing the black community today.

While King himself was not a communist, he did business with communists and was influenced by them. This delicate subject, made more so given the martyrdom and subsequent lionization of King, should nevertheless be broached as a means of providing insight into some of the darker forces that worked their way into what was essentially a pro American, conservative, Christian civil rights movement.
King surrounded himself with communists from the beginning of his career. His closest advisor Stanley Levison was a Communist. The Southern Christian Leadership Conference, formed in 1957 and led by King, had Rev. Fred Shuttlesworth as Vice President who was at the same time president of the Southern Conference Education Fund, an identified communist front according to the Legislative Committee on un-American Activities, Louisiana (Report April 13, 1964 pp. 31-38). The field director of SCEF was Carl Braden, a known communist agitator who was also involved in the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, which counted Lee Harvey Oswald, the communist assassin of President Kennedy as a member. King maintained regular correspondence with Carl Braden. Bayard Rustin, a known communist, was also on the board of SCLC.
Dr. King addressed the Highlander Folk School in Monteagle, Tenn., 1957, previously known as the Commonwealth College until the House Committee on un-American Activities sited it as a communist front (April 27, 1949). HCAA found that Commonwealth was using religion as a way to infiltrate the African-American community by, among other techniques, comparing New Testament texts to those of Karl Marx. King knew many communists associated with the Highlander school.
King hired communist official Hunter Pitts O’Dell, 1960, at the SCLC. The St. Louis Globe Democrat reported (Oct. 26, 1962) “A Communist has infiltrated the top administrative post in the Rev. Martin Luther King’s SCLC. He is Jack H. O’Dell, acting executive director of conference activities in the southeastern states including Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana.” Dr. King fired O’Dell when this became public but subsequently rehired him to head the SCLC New York office.

King himself expresses a Marxist outlook in his book “Stride Toward Freedom” when he stated, “in spite of the shortcomings of his analysis, Marx had raised some basic questions. I was deeply concerned from my early teen days about the gulf between superfluous wealth and abject poverty, and my reading of Marx made me even more conscious of this gulf. Although modern American capitalism has greatly reduced the gap through social reforms, there was still need for a better distribution of wealth. Moreover, Marx had revealed the danger of the profit motive as the sole basis of an economic system”

King, unfortunately, didn’t understand that it was Capitalism and freedom that was responsible for the successes the African-American community already had achieved in his day and the key to future success. By “better distribution of wealth” King meant state control over the economy. His contempt for “the profit motive” was unfortunate given that African-Americans should’ve been encouraged by their leaders to seek fair profit to the best of their ability. King’s leftist ideas contributed to an opening of the floodgates to such radicals as Stokley Carmichael, H. Rap Brown, the Black Panthers, as well as the burning and looting of African-American neighborhoods, the institutionalizing of poverty perpetrating welfare, the destruction of the family, drugs, violence, racism, and crime.

In “Stride Toward Freedom” Dr. King states “In short, I read Marx as I read all of the influential historical thinkers from a dialectical point of view, combining a partial yea and a partial no. My readings of Marx convinced me that truth is found neither in Marxism nor in traditional capitalism. Each represents a partial truth. Historically capitalism failed to see truth in collective enterprise and Marxism failed to see the truth in individual enterprise. The Kingdom of God is neither the thesis of individual enterprise nor the antithesis of collective enterprise, but a synthesis which reconciles the truths of both.”

King, like Marx, Lenin, and Stalin, had “a dialectical point of view.” The goal of the dialectic is authoritarianism. A nation, to paraphrase Abraham Lincoln, cannot be half free and half slave. By advocating socialism, King chose an imperious stand toward his own people in contrast to a stand for genuine freedom, self-rule, self-sufficiency, private ownership, and the accumulation of capital. King did not advocate the American system of free market capitalism. Instead, he stood for a system that has stunted the growth of African-Americans as well as the rest of us.

All Marxists believe in Hegelian Dialectics. This is a belief that “progress” is achieved through conflict between opposing viewpoints. Any ideological assertion (thesis) will create its own opposite (antithesis). Progress is achieved when a conclusion (synthesis) is reached which espouses aspects of both the thesis and antithesis.
For example, Hitler had a dialectical point of view. He rejected Marxist class warfare, but embraced the basic socialist idea of the insignificance of the individual compared to the collective state.

This belief in dialectical progress is why liberals and “progressives” pit the rich against the poor, old against young, black against white, men against women, homosexuals against straight, ad nauseam.

This issue is somewhat clouded by what Dr. King wrote in his 1957 book “Stride toward Freedom: the Montgomery story”, in which he wrote the following devastating critique of the sort of communism practiced in the Communist super state of the Union of Soviet Socialist republics.
“During the Christmas holidays of 1949 I decided to spend my spare time reading Karl Marx to try to understand the appeal of communism for many people. For the first time I carefully scrutinized *Das Kapital and The Communist Manifesto. I also read some interpretive works on the thinking of Marx and Lenin. In reading such Communist writings I drew certain conclusions that have remained with me as convictions to this day.
First, I rejected their materialistic interpretation of history. Communism, avowedly secularist and materialistic, has no place for God. This I could never accept, for as a Christian, I believe that there is a creative personal power in the universe who is the ground and essence of all reality-a power that cannot be explained in materialistic terms. History is ultimately guided by spirit, not matter.
Second, I strongly disagreed with communism’s ethical relativism. Since for the Communist there is no divine government, no absolute moral order, there are no fixed, immutable principles; consequently almost anything-force, violence murder, lying-is a justifiable means to the ‘millennial’ end. This type of relativism was abhorrent to me. Constructive ends can never give absolute moral justification to destructive means, because in the final analysis the end is pre-existent in the means.
Third, I opposed communism’s political totalitarianism. In communism, the individual ends up in subjection to the state. True, the Marxists would argue that the state is an ‘interim’ reality which is to be eliminated when the classless society emerges; but the state is the end while it lasts, and man is only a means to that end. And if man’s so-called rights and liberties stand in the way of that end, they are simply swept aside. His liberties of expression, his freedom to vote, and his freedom to listen to what news he likes or to choose his books are all restricted. Man becomes hardly more, in communism, than a depersonalized cog in the turning wheel of the state.
This deprecation of individual freedom was objectionable to me. I am convinced now, as I was then, that man is an end because he is a child of God. Man is not made for the state; the state is made for man. To deprive man of freedom is to relegate him to the status of a thing, rather than elevate him to the status of a person. Man must never be treated as means to the end of the state; but always as an end within himself.”
Martin Luther King Jr., *Stride Toward Freedom: The Montgomery Story* (New York: Harper and Row, 1957), 92-93

Don’t forget that the above was written in 1957, a period in which the oppressions of the Soviet Union are painfully evident, evidenced by the brutal repression of the Hungarian uprising in 1956. At the time Stride toward Freedom was written, domestic attitudes toward communism could not have been more hostile. Toward the end of Dr. Martin Luther King’s life, the counterculture revolution of the sixties and the leftist tinted civil rights movement made favorable considerations of communism generally more palatable.
• King wrote in Where Do We Go From Here: Chaos or Community? “I am now convinced…the solution to poverty is to abolish it directly by a now widely discussed measure: the guaranteed income.” But “to ensure that the guaranteed income operates as a consistently progressive measure” it “must be pegged to the median income of society, not the lowest levels of income” and “must automatically increase as the total social income grows.” So far, his proposal was not materially different from Huey Long’s Share Our Wealth program. This was from his later works, but he had voiced support for “a modified form of socialism” for some time. While accepting his Nobel Peace Prize in 1964, King told the press, “We feel we have much to learn from Scandinavia’s democratic socialist tradition and from the manner in which you have overcome many of the social and economic problems that still plague far more powerful and affluent nations. “Whenever the issue of compensatory treatment for the Negro is raised, some of our friends recoil in horror. The Negro should be granted equality, they agree; but he should ask nothing more. On the surface, this appears reasonable, but it is not realistic.”

• “A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for the Negro.”; and
• “Within common law we have ample precedents for special compensatory programs.”

While Martin Luther King Day should be one of reflection and appreciation for what has been accomplished, and a reckoning of what still needs to be done, it should also be a day of understanding, in terms clear of emotionally driven rhetoric, where the civil rights movement went wrong. A major key to this understanding, I would contend, is the destructive effects that communist ideas and outright infiltration has had on the African-American community. Communists tried to use African-Americans as cannon fodder by stoking hatred and racial division. A predominantly white left-wing establishment promoted Black communists in order to preserve an informal system of oppression.
The fact is that he WAS a socialist and that goes to the heart of what went wrong with the civil rights establishment after the legal battles against codified discrimination were won.

I am a black man who has been getting calluses on my dome from butting heads with those in my community who refuse to relinquish big government statist solutions for the problems plaguing the black community in favor of free market solutions that are far more appropriate today. These forces frequently cite Dr. King and use his exhortations to government to lead the way. They specifically cite his socialist outlook as justification for their continuance. The two parent black family was destroyed by LBJ’s welfare state. That was the worst cultural calamity to EVER befall the black community in the US, and the most destructive force in its cultural life notwithstanding the imposition of Jim Crow law via the Supreme Court’s Plessy v Fergueson decision. MLK was a leading proponent for expanding the welfare state, whose baleful effects were just beginning to be seen in the black community.

MLK was a man of enormous charisma and courage and certainly a pivotal figure in the civil rights movement. There is much about him that I admire. An assessment of his life could creditably yield the adjective of great. Despite that, he does not deserve to be the ONLY American with his own holiday named after him. That honor should be reserved for only one person in American history, the greatest of all Americans, George Washington. More so than any other SINGLE figure in our history, he was the “indispensable man.” Without his courage, acumen, honor, and integrity, the US would simply not exist, and if it did, it probably would have been as a monarchy and certainly not as a constitutional republic.

The fact that MLK, Jr. has come to represent the ENTIRE face of the Civil Rights movement is a slap in the face to scores of people who accomplished much, those that were trying to do the right thing without necessarily seeking personal glory for themselves, let alone martyrdom to try to equal Christ, which is blasphemous on its face.
What of the heroic Republican federal officials from Reconstruction, for which almost nobody can name today ? Those men had NOBODY to pave the way for them. Even a Black Republican minister and Congressional candidate from Chicago, the Rev. Archibald Carey, Jr., who delivered the “Let Freedom Ring” speech before the 1952 Republican National Convention, has been forgotten (a speech largely plagarized by MLK, Jr). Nobody knows who Rev. Carey is today or what he spoke.

MLK’s birthday holiday was a sop to PC and a reflection of the DemocRAT Congress that voted it. The depth of MLK’s association with the most anti-freedom ideology (Communism) of our time will prove to very discomfiting when it is fully revealed. Additionally, MLK’s legacy to the modern day civil rights movement is a socialist bequeathment that of looking to big government solutions for many of the behavioral problems in today’s black community. MLK continues to cast a long shadow over most of the modern day civil rights establishment and black politicians who largely reject free market, educationally based solutions to the unique problems plaguing the black community.


49 posted on 01/20/2014 8:45:03 PM PST by DMZFrank
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To: JLLH

I understand where you’re coming from.

I was thinking more along the lines of it being too late to do anything about whether he was saved or not. It’s not like anyone can present the gospel to him or anything. Your fate is sealed once you die.

We need to worry about those still alive who we can have an impact on yet.

The thing is, people are going to get all in a snit if they think that you’re attacking him. It seems counter productive to me to make an issue of it because most people don’t look beyond the obvious work that he did and they judge him on that. If someone is convinced that he was a Christian, then almost nothing you can say will convince them otherwise.

Christians understand the importance of correct theology but non-Christians just. don’t. get. it.


50 posted on 01/21/2014 12:49:55 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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