Posted on 01/20/2014 7:53:11 AM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman
Was Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Saved? This is a question that I have often asked myself. There is no doubt that he had the trappings of a “Christian”, but was he saved as the Word of Almighty God requires (Matt. 7:21-23, Rom. 10:2-4)? This is not a black or white issue but a sound biblical one, for in the END that is what life is ALL about.
Yes, Dr. King had a great dream, vision and was fearless about bringing civil rights to America tagically the lawless white and black Left in this country has hijacked and corrupted his vision with victim status and race baiting. His vision is the dream of millions of Americans (red, yellow, black or white) who are looking for "peace" in this fallen and turbulent world (Isa. 9:6, 48:22, 53:5, 57:21, Jer. 8:11, Eph. 2:14, Col. 1:20). The very world it's self is seeking to achieve this "peace", unity, harmony and oneness, but sadly they leave out one key and crucial piece to this utopian equation... ALMIGHTY GOD and His RIGHTEOUSNESS!
No matter how noble, no matter how heroic, no matter how virtuous, no matter how selfless, no matter how passionate, no matter how courageous, no matter one's color etc.. etc... When anyone (red, yellow, black or white) leaves out the ETERNAL Creator from time’s hopeless dilemma and His ETERNAL absolutes of RIGHTEOUSNESS all is doomed (Eccl. 12:13-14, Rev. 20:11-15)! There are NO utopias here and there will NEVER be, yet the world in their subjective GODLESS delusion seeks to achieve this la-la land fantasy with relativism, lawlessness, decadence and Machiavellianism. This world seeks true peace through the labors of lawlessness, but in the end all they find is endless war and oppression (Isa. 48:22, 57:21). History is full of valiant men and women who sought to make this fallen world a better place and in some ways they have and we thank Almighty God for them, but in the light of ETERNITY if they knew not the Savior of the world it was ALL vanity and these noble - yet unregenerate men - must stand before their Creator in that Day to give an account (Eccl.). Good and noble deeds with all of its works can NEVER manufacture the PERFECT RIGHTEOUSNESS demand by Almighty God for fallen man and tragically that is how this world perceives and deceives themselves about the last Day (Rom. 6:23, 10:2-4, Eph. 2:8-9, Rev. 20:11-15).A broken egg is still a broken egg no matter what good it was used for.
We need as Adam’s offspring (race) to see things from Almighty God’s ETERNAL perspective. We need to fully understand - as a human race (Adam’s offspring) - that this world is NOT our home (Rom. 5:12). For in the final end, ETERNITY is the final destination of ALL mankind. Whether rich or poor, black or white, man or women, virtuous or vile, saved or unsaved (Heb. 9:27), either a child of Adam HAS the required RIGHTEOUSNESS of Almighty God provided by His Son or He does not. That is the cross road of this world. Either you will receive Almighty God’s propitiation in spirit and in truth or you will not (John 3:16-17, 1 John 2:2, 4:10). It is just that simple.
"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. (John 3:36)” . “He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life (1 John 5:12)”
Below is a link to a paper written by a black author and believer in Jesus Christ. It was very insightful and uses Almighty God’s infallible Word to discern whether Dr. King was a true believer in Jesus Christ based on the teachings and sound doctrine of the Bible. I thought this was excellent and wanted to share this with you.
The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!
I don’t even get the premise of these kinds of articles. He either was or he wasn’t. Way above my pay grade and between God and MLK.
Since neither you nor I know his heart, it is a pointless question about a dead man
It’s irrelevant now. He’s dead. If he wasn’t, that’s extremely sad. If he was, then the saved will see him in heaven one day. Why speculate on the faith of a dead man. We should be more concerned with the deeds of the living...we have plenty to be concerned about.
The point of such articles is to encourage the reader to contemplate the real issues of life and ignore the popular press trying to idealize the “hero”. Perhaps it will stimulate one person to the thoughts of eternity and the bankruptcy of “good intentions” or “human interest”. Perhaps they will read the Scriptures for themselves and find life...if God so directs.
Here’s a Christian value for you:
Judge not, least you be judged.
This is specifically with regard to a person’s soul, and has little to do with observed behavior.
I'd tend to agree. But I constantly get in conflicts with the self-appointed fundies on this forum who claim to speak for God in one breath and pounce on any sect who even suggests having such authority in the next.
I listened to King a few times, i did not get the idea that he was a Christian, but not for me to decide.
“Was Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Saved?”
In my opinion, that is between Rev King and God. It is not your or my decision as to whether he was saved. That decision is God’s alone.
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Here’s one for you my friend... If you do “judge” then judge RIGHTOUESLY. Do you not judge liberals and progressives all the time? How about President Obama? How Hillary on Benghazi? etc... How about what you eat and do not eat. Are you not making judgments? You as an individual are making judgments based on standards, moral absolutes and absolutes all the time. A Man is known by his works.. that is what Jesus stated (Matt 7:15-23). We are as Christians to make judgments based on biblical absolutes. If you read the post you would see that we never made a judgment about MLKJ eternal estate. It was put out there to cause you and others to see if YOU are saved? Are you? If we as a nation and conservatives choose to see God’s RIGHTEOUS Word as mere relativism then we are judging ourselves that we are but fools.
Sadly the ones who throw out that ‘Judge not” Bible verse as Bill O’Reilly does… show how clueless they are about the Bible and Almighty God’s RIGHTEOUS demands.
Have you ever taken the Gospel of John Challenge? Take this challenge and judge and see for yourself... and if you reject what you have taken then at least say to yourself that I reject it but that is what the Bible clearly states.
Remember TRUE Christians are those who have judged themselves and found that they are bankrupt of Almighty God’s RIGHTEOUS requirements and need a Savior (John 3:16-17, Rom. 7, 24-25, 10:2-4). Don’t be afraid to look up the Bible verses and see for yourself.
Take the challenge and see and then make your judgment.
Thanks for your reply!
http://www.theignorantfishermen.com/2009/04/take-gospel-of-john-challenge.html
You are way off.
That quote is in the context of hypocritical judging, addressed to the crowds that included the Pharisees who looked down on the people and judged them according to their own standards.
Christians are supposed to judge with righteous judgment and according to the Word of God; they are supposed to have discernment because they are in the Word of God, believe the Word of God, and obey the Word of God.
I think we’re saying the same thing.
Judging behavior is ok.
Judging someone’s soul, is NOT ok.
see post 13
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Judge not, least you be judged.
Actually, that "value" is one of THE most misquoted verses in the Bible. Obviously, God's judgement alone determines ones eternal destiny, however does that mean we are meant to know nothing for sure, since all knowledge depends on making inferences and judgments?
To take an extreme example: Was Hitler a Christian? He was baptized (so what?) but repeatedly, in private usually, indicated he was an atheist, and never made a confession of Christ to his dying day.....AND of course never repented from his monstrous crimes and murders of tens of millions.... So as far as humans can know, Hitler was certainly not a Christian. In saying that am I "judging" in a way Jesus condemned? Certainly not! Just speaking the obvious.
Here's what Jesus said about judgment IN CONTEXT:
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye." (Matthew 7:1-6)
Jesus was condemning judgmentalism....that is self-righteous people LOOKING for small faults in others, while ignoring much bigger faults in themselves. Clearly He was speaking to the motivation for fault-finding, NOT saying we can never make moral judgments about the souls and the behavior of others....rather before doing so, we better take a good look at ourselves--and make sure we're clear, before helping (emphasis on HELPING) others take specks from their own eyes.
Obviously with M.L. King, and all the dead, we cannot help them correct themselves, however, given the total hero-worship given him--and inaccurate portrayals, especially in the black community, that he could do no wrong--I think it is very useful to make an accurate assessment of the man, and his Christian testimony given, and especially, since it is politically incorrect to do so.
I have read evangelical Christian leaders (especially British ones, interestingly) lauding the great Christian faith that moved M.L. King to push for desegregation and social reforms...calling him in essence a great evangelical Christian. However the evidence that I've seen and read says otherwise.
Like a Jefferson, or a Thomas Paine, M.L. King surely did some great things--and was used by God to bring justice to America--however he was not a Christian, and we do harm by pretending that he was. Here's the link referred to above, and left out, of a paper by an African American woman, proving by M.L. King's own words, his beliefs about Jesus:
someone judgmental of me to my face, will find himself with his butt on the ground spitting out teeth.
The only way you’ll ever know is if you get to Heaven yourself. And at that point, I doubt you’d care.
well how about this...
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
then go to #17
My friend, thanks for your reply!
Firstly if you read the full post it is a challenge to you and to others to see if you are (saved) as the Bible clearly teaches. We must see the ETERNAL for all we are is dust in the wind... Also it is a challenge for all to seek the Lord and study His Word for there is where all of Life’s answers are found. Noble men die in their transgression too when they reject Almighty God’s RIGHTEOUS propitiation for their sins (John 3:16-17, 1 John 4:10)! And lastly it is to get people to think out of our subjective world and life and see the ETERNAL. Have you ever though about after you die? That is the challenge to all (Rev. 1:18)
http://www.theignorantfishermen.com/2009/04/take-gospel-of-john-challenge.html
http://www.theignorantfishermen.com/2009/04/take-gospel-of-john-challenge.html
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