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‘FANTASY’ FRANCIS?
The American Spectator ^ | 1/22/14 | George Neumayr

Posted on 01/23/2014 4:54:43 PM PST by ebb tide

While some of the media’s claims about Francis are excessive, at least one is dismayingly real, one which Coppen never allows: that Francis is more liberal than his predecessors. Indeed, not a week passes without some new papal statement or action to puzzle conservatives and embolden liberals.

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Islam; Theology
KEYWORDS: fantasyfrancis; francis; liberal; pope; romancatholic
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1 posted on 01/23/2014 4:54:43 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

So far, claims of Francis’ liberalism are proven false and he shows himself to be a traditionalist, and an ardent one at that.


2 posted on 01/23/2014 4:59:12 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: ebb tide

Attempts to pigeonhole Francis are doomed to fail because the voice he follows is not one heard by any of the secular. He simply follows God as he understands Him, and that’s enough.

I like this Pope. I also like the way he confounds people who think they know what he’s thinking.


3 posted on 01/23/2014 5:06:26 PM PST by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: Ronin

The author of the article should perhaps not have fallen for the liberal snipping, never mind perpetuating it; he fell right into the liberals’ trap.


4 posted on 01/23/2014 5:18:53 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Ronin

To me, he sounds a lot like his role model, Francis of Assisi, who was definitely different and always thought “outside the box.” Some even said Francis of A. was crazy. But he got things done.


5 posted on 01/23/2014 5:21:34 PM PST by miserare (2014--The Year We Fight Back!)
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To: ebb tide

He’s a JESUIT! What part of that do you NOT UNDERSTAND?

SHEESH, and I’m not EVEN catholic anymore.


6 posted on 01/23/2014 5:36:42 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat ( According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: miserare

Yo! The only thing Francis of Assisi and this pope share, is the name “Francis.”

Francis of Assisi was NOT a Jesuit. And THAT is a significant difference.


7 posted on 01/23/2014 5:39:53 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat ( According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: Ronin

My friends at church and I are excited about Pope Francis. Not that we didn’t like Pope Benedict - we did, he was a good man and a good Pope - but we’re following all the rules and doing everything we should do and we’re tired. Beaten down and TIRED.

Pope Francis is talking about getting close to Jesus, taking a quantum leap above “doing everything you should do,” and really making Christianity vibrant and life-giving. I think it’s very necessary. How can you invite people to give their lives to Christ when the message is, “You can work your tail off for people and get nothing out of it and feel like a total failure, like me. Oh, what fun!”?

Er, you can’t. The martyrs didn’t die for “Put yourself last until finally you don’t care if you even eat, because you just want it to be over.” They died because Jesus Christ loved them, and they really, REALLY knew it.


8 posted on 01/23/2014 5:41:37 PM PST by Tax-chick (Well, that went badly.)
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To: Olog-hai

Hah! Tell that to the Franciscans of the Immaculate. Tell it to Cardinal Burke.


9 posted on 01/23/2014 5:46:44 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: miserare

St. Francis converted muslims to Catholicism. Pope Francis does the opposite; he urges muslim children to follow the “faith” of their parents.


10 posted on 01/23/2014 5:48:44 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: Tax-chick
Pope Francis is talking about getting close to Jesus, taking a quantum leap above “doing everything you should do,” and really making Christianity vibrant and life-giving.

Pope Francis never talks about this to his pro-abortion, pro-homo marriage buddy, Rabbi Skorka.

11 posted on 01/23/2014 5:51:47 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ConradofMontferrat

Francis was about as far away from the Jesuits as possible in lifestyle and theology!

He founded his order (1209) more than 300 years before the Jesuits came into being (1534).


12 posted on 01/23/2014 5:54:41 PM PST by miserare (2014--The Year We Fight Back!)
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To: ebb tide

You mean as the liberal media reports it?

How about Greg Reynolds? You remember what he was excommunicated for, right?

How does the new cardinal of Spain fit into this picture? You know, the fellow who publicly spoke against homosexuality?


13 posted on 01/23/2014 5:55:04 PM PST by Olog-hai
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He simply follows God as he understands Him, and that’s enough.

Ain't that the truth! And that's a crying shame.

And I repeat it here. Everyone has his own idea of good and evil and must choose to follow the good and fight evil as he conceives them. That would be enough to make the world a better place", Pope Francis.

14 posted on 01/23/2014 6:01:59 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

How do you know what Pope Francis talks about to anyone, other than what’s published? I read the sermons posted here, links from Vatican Radio.


15 posted on 01/23/2014 6:02:48 PM PST by Tax-chick (Well, that went badly.)
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To: Olog-hai

How about Monsignor Battista Ricca? You remember who promoted him to his current position, right?


16 posted on 01/23/2014 6:04:12 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ConradofMontferrat

If you are a baptized Catholic, you will always be a Catholic, because that indelible Baptismal mark on your soul does not go away.

Sit down with a priest and get your questions answered.


17 posted on 01/23/2014 6:08:08 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Tax-chick

I doubt you’ve ever read a full sermon of Pope Francis. Every one I’ve seen has been heavily redacted and editorialized. Do you have a source to his full sermons? If so, could you share it?

As far as the relationship between Francis and Skorka, read the book the two co-wrote together. “Two paths up the same mountain” comes to mind.


18 posted on 01/23/2014 6:08:34 PM PST by ebb tide
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I’ve read what’s available from the daily Mass comments - it seems there is not a stenographer or publication of every word - as well as full texts of documents. I think I read the book with Skorka, too. I’ve read several books about/with Pope Francis since he was elected. They’re on the shelves in the county library.

Do you not think we and the Jewish people are in a relationship with the one God?


19 posted on 01/23/2014 6:13:17 PM PST by Tax-chick (Well, that went badly.)
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To: ebb tide

How about him? Again, do liberal media insinuations become the be all and end all?

I seem to recall that Cardinal Burke is still president of the Apostolic Signatura.


20 posted on 01/23/2014 6:19:42 PM PST by Olog-hai
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