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Sociologist: 'Fringe Catholics' More Likely Behind JPII Relic Theft
NCR ^ | January 28, 2014 | Edward Pentin

Posted on 01/30/2014 5:51:41 AM PST by Alex Murphy

What is your take on this case?

Some people in my Center for Studies on New Religions have been interviewed about this and they tell me that, from the information given yesterday, there’s no evidence of this incident being in any way related to Satanism. It’s just speculation, there is no hard evidence. Also, sometimes beware of Italian journalists because they like to connect Satanism to a lot of stuff. To give you my gut feeling: it’s more to do with groups of what we call in sociology “fringe Catholics” – marginal groups of Catholics who want to perhaps steal in order to furnish their private chapels, and follow non-authorised private revelations, or something similar. It seems more their style. Satanists aren’t interested in stealing these kinds of things. They steal consecrated hosts. I’ve never heard of Satanists stealing relics. Unless I see any evidence, I think it’s extremely unlikely.

So what would be their motives for stealing such a holy relic?

In Italy we have scores of groups of Catholics who are half in, half outside the Catholic Church and they normally follow apocalyptic private revelations not recognised by the Church and they have chapels which, from a canonical point of view, are illegal chapels. They are not authorised by a bishop and some of these groups might be enthusiastic for such important relics and to have them in their private chapels. Some of these groups are well hidden. They may await the end of the world, not believe Pope Francis is the real Pope, follow this and that ‘revelation’ of Jesus and the Virgin Mary. But there are probably several hundred such semi-clandestine groups in Italy....

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To give you my gut feeling: it’s more to do with groups of what we call in sociology “fringe Catholics” – marginal groups of Catholics who want to perhaps steal in order to furnish their private chapels, and follow non-authorised private revelations, or something similar. It seems more their style....In Italy we have scores of groups of Catholics who are half in, half outside the Catholic Church and they normally follow apocalyptic private revelations not recognised by the Church and they have chapels which, from a canonical point of view, are illegal chapels. They are not authorised by a bishop and some of these groups might be enthusiastic for such important relics and to have them in their private chapels....
1 posted on 01/30/2014 5:51:41 AM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy
follow non-authorised private revelations,

Pentalics?

Cathacostals

2 posted on 01/30/2014 6:09:08 AM PST by Gamecock (If you like your constitution, you can keep your constitution. Period. (M.S.))
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To: Gamecock
Pentalics? Cathacostals

There are a handful of FRoman Catholics who "follow non-authorised private revelations". I wonder if it was one of them?

3 posted on 01/30/2014 6:17:37 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Alex Murphy
Anybody see any albino monks or Mel Gibson around?
4 posted on 01/30/2014 6:28:11 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Republican amnesty supporters don't care whether their own homes are called mansions or haciendas.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Anybody who would want vials of a dead man’s blood is a “fringe” something IMO.


5 posted on 01/30/2014 6:29:04 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Gamecock

The other possibility is Satanists, looking for items to use in their black mass. Several years ago churches in Chicago were on the lookout for a group of them who were trying to steal consecrated Hosts.


6 posted on 01/30/2014 6:30:18 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Alex Murphy
follow non-authorised private revelations

While not authorized, are they still revelations???

7 posted on 01/30/2014 6:30:44 AM PST by Iscool
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To: Buckeye McFrog

dna sequencing, cloning... this could get interesting.


8 posted on 01/30/2014 6:36:05 AM PST by ameribbean expat
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To: ameribbean expat
dna sequencing, cloning... this could get interesting.

Strange Brew

"Good, that means we're right on schedule. Just one more test, and then we are ready for the world! Light them up."

9 posted on 01/30/2014 6:51:08 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: ameribbean expat

If we were to bring anyone back for a second go-round, I guess JP II would be one I could get onboard with.


10 posted on 01/30/2014 6:54:32 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: ameribbean expat
In the "Truth is Stranger than Fiction" department, here's an interesting link for both of you:

Spirit guide "Matthew Ward":
"The Pope so beloved and respected by many throughout your world was cloned several years ago when it became clear to the dark souls that he was a liability....Although the clones that have been carrying on in the name of the Pope have publicly shown his gentleness, humility and loving spirit, it was to beguile, not to show the way to true spiritual growth. None of the reforms John Paul intended have come to pass. At the time of the downloading of his intelligence, knowledge, and experiential memories into the first clone, the clone was programmed to suppress John Paul’s divine inspiration to allow ancient records hidden in the Vatican to come forth and to share with the world's poor the vast wealth amassed by the church."

11 posted on 01/30/2014 7:14:48 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Alex Murphy

I’m just not following why he thinks these so-called “fringe Catholics” would want it? What would be the point?

Most of the so-called “fringe Catholics” would probably want nothing to do with anything of JPII’s.


12 posted on 01/30/2014 12:57:22 PM PST by piusv
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To: Alex Murphy
Wrong, as usual.

Italian media reported Jan. 30 that police had found an empty iron reliquary, along with a stolen cross, buried on the grounds of a drug treatment facility in the city of L’Aquila, about 75 miles east of Rome. Two men in their early 20s, who were being questioned in connection with another crime, confessed they had stolen the objects and then revealed their location to police.

13 posted on 01/30/2014 1:54:19 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: piusv
Police claim to have found the perps - but there's no mention of the vial of blood itself. From this afternoon: Thieves confess, but relic of Blessed John Paul II still missing:
Italian media reported Jan. 30 that police had found an empty iron reliquary, along with a stolen cross, buried on the grounds of a drug treatment facility in the city of L’Aquila, about 75 miles east of Rome. Two men in their early 20s, who were being questioned in connection with another crime, confessed they had stolen the objects and then revealed their location to police.

But the men said they had discarded the relic itself — reportedly a piece of the clothing Blessed John Paul was wearing when he was shot May 13, 1981 — by throwing it into some bushes near the facility. Members of Italy’s specialized scientific police were searching the grounds.


14 posted on 01/30/2014 1:57:10 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
Wrong, as usual.

Who - the National Catholic Register?

15 posted on 01/30/2014 1:58:12 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Alex Murphy

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3117377/posts?page=3#3


16 posted on 01/30/2014 2:02:52 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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