Posted on 01/30/2014 7:15:41 AM PST by Alex Murphy
Well...anyone can play with numbers.
My guess is that if you could somehow factor out hispanics and nominal Catholics (CINOs) from the Catholic voting base, MR probabably got closer to 70% of the Catholic vote, around the same level he got from white evangelical voters.
More silliness, are they voting democrat because of economics or what? Other than seeming to express some sort of desperation, your efforts are silly.
Only baptized members of the Catholic denomination who are Catholics, are counted as Catholics, and Catholic isn’t a race, and it didn’t just start voting democrat recently, it is the way they have always voted.
No. That would be your Mexicans. Overwhelmingly Catholic, those Mexicans.
Why do you consider this silly? "And the GOP has nominated a Catholic for President exactly zero times in our entire history."
White Catholics have been voting consistently GOP since the days of JFK as have white voters in general.
So the economic argument is dismissed, and now you shift to saying Catholics vote pro-abortion and pro-gay, because the GOP hasn't nominated a Catholic for president.
One of the few times in history that the Catholic vote went republican, was in 2004, how does that fit into your new theory?
Racial purity concerns of some Catholics aside.
The Protestant vote has only gone democrat 3 times, while the Catholic vote has only gone republican about 5 times.
Race isn't the factor, and the denomination is not based on race, and we are importing millions of Catholics.
Even Hispanics move to voting more pro-life conservative, when they switch from the Catholic denomination, to attending a different denomination.
A bunch of reasons why Catholics vote Democrat, read them all, include also why should they voted for Romney or McCain?
Your passion in defending and even promoting the democrat voter, is something to see, it is all over the board, even contradictory, but in the end, all your arguments do seem geared to defending voting pro-abortion, pro-gay, pro-government democrat.
I know Buffalo....spent months there in the late 60s....it would be as you say.
Race IS the factor. All things being equal. If Demographics had not changed dramatically since 1980, Romney would have won in a landslide in 2012 just simply by carrying the white vote by 20%. As whites continue shrink in the electoracte, so do GOP fortunes. The Democrats have won the popular vote in the last 5 out of six elections, no doubt largely to changing demographics, and an electorate more interested in getting free stuff and less concerned about higher taxes and deficit spending.
True.
Voting behavior in the US is more determined by racial ID and than it is by religious ID.
Or by geography as well. White Catholics and non-evangelical White Protestants vote mostly the same way. White Catholics went a little more for Romney last time and a little more for Obama the time before that, but by and large in areas without large evangelical or fundamentalist populations, Catholics vote like their Protestant neighbors.
What throws things off is first of all the non-White vote. Latinos are a larger percentage of the Catholic population than Blacks are of the Protestant population so this skews Catholic numbers to the Democrats. Secondly, White Evangelical Protestants -- especially Southerners -- have been voting much more heavily for Republicans than the rest of the country in recent decades so this skews the Protestant numbers to the Democrats.
If there's anything more to it than that, it's that groups that consider or once considered themselves to be outsiders trend a little more to the left than groups the consider or consider themselves to be the mainstream. That's true of African-Americans, Jews, Latinos, and Asians in the US, Catholics in Britain and Australia, and Protestants in France.
There is still in some Catholics a feeling of being or having been outsiders that makes Catholics a little more likely to vote Democrat than Protestants living in the same area and under the same circumstances. Given that we all have our quirks, is it really worth making a big deal about that?
The Catholic denomination isn’t a race, it is a church denomination.
A denomination that has almost always voted democrat, a denomination that only recently got large numbers of non-whites, a denomination that is being imported by the millions.
Even in 2012, ignoring the history and 2008, the new defense of importing millions of more Catholics is that the white portion moved right in a year of almost economic depression, and in a year when the failed democrat incumbent was being labelled as in a “War against the Catholic church”, that isn’t much to cling to, and it is meaningless anyway, because all that matters is how Catholics vote, the effect of the Catholic vote on American politics.
When Catholics, whether white or Hispanic switch to a non-Catholic denomination, they start voting against the democrats, even the Hispanic non-Catholic-Christian vote, is close to a 50/50 vote.
FYI I have never voted for a Democrat for President. The last 5 elections I voted third party and intend to do it again. Both of them have exported our economy and we have a recession. I was hoping Palin, Paul or Cruz would champion American nationalism but that isn’t happening.
I think you mean well but you are misinformed about Catholics. I’ll pray for you.
Many are not, but the ignorant or ones connected to union jobs and their families often are for the money IMO.
So you don’t vote republican either, most Catholics don’t, and haven’t during the history of America.
I’m still back on occasion to visit as I still have family there and follow the goings on there.
It hasn’t changed at all.
The Catholic vote is pretty much the same it has always been.
The left counts on importing millions of Catholic voters from the most Catholic nations in the world, and Catholics don’t seem to care.
Here we are on a conservative political site, and we get all kinds of acrobatics to prevent discussing a left voting major church denomination and what it is doing to our conservative goals.
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