Posted on 01/30/2014 7:15:41 AM PST by Alex Murphy
Maybe it's different where you live, but that's your problem, not anybody else's.
The religion is irrelevant. The left wants Mexicans because Mexicans support growing social services and vote for Democrats. Their Catholicism is incidental and of no concern to Democrats.
If their Catholicism were central, Democrats would be fighting to import Italians and the Irish. They're not.
What is your quest here anyway? To get people to blame any Democratic Party success on Catholics? To what end?
Well, until the ‘60s, the Republican Party leadership was always part of what was then the “Protestant Establishment.” IKE got strong support from Catholics in ’52 and ’56 because a disproportionate percent of veterans , especially combat veterans, were Catholic. These went with JFK in ’60, of course, and stayed with LBJ in ’64. and I think with Hubert in’68. In ’72, they reduced their support for McGovern because though he was a combat vet, he had the manner of a unitarian minister. They supported Carter in ’76, because he was a vet and was, at first thought to be conservative. They went with Reagan in ’80 and ’84, because he was like them in manner , or rather like his dad, who was an Irish Catholic. But the Republican Establishment has never made any consistent effort to appeal to Catholics. George H.W.Bush is pretty representative of Republican Leadership. Romney may be Mormon but he comes across as an Episcopalian like Bush 41.
Well, they were pretty evil.
Looking at the numbers, it looks very likely that Northern Catholics voted for Carter more than Northern Protestants (who could still swing Vermont and Maine and Connecticut to the GOP), but I doubt Catholics were very enthusiastic about the peanut farmer.
Right now, the identification of the GOP with Southern rural Evangelical voters means Northern urban or suburban Catholics aren't that motivated to vote Republican. That's true of Protestant, Jewish, and irreligious Northern urban or suburban voters as well. Religion and even ideology aren't central. It's more a matter of different regional cultures.
What a bunch of strange nonsense about veterans and combat veterans, and catholics supporting Reagan because he had a “ Irish Catholic” dad.
Catholics voted against Ike in 1952, there is some disagreement, but it is believed that for the first time ever, the republican won a majority of the catholic vote in 1956, when Ike was running for easy reelection and won in a landslide.
During WWII and after WWII, the democrats were overwhelmingly winning the Catholic vote, cleaning up in 1948 and 1952.
The Protestant vote went against the democrat in every one of those elections of 1940, 1944, 1948, and 1952.
Ike was the big vet in 1952, Nixon had been a Lt Commander, Goldwater was the big vet in 1964, Nixon was the big vet in 1968, Ford was the Big vet in 1976, Bush was clearly the big vet in 1992, Dole in 1996, George W. in 2000, McCain in 2008, yet they all lost the Catholic vote.
And what about the 100% of black Catholics that voted for Obama???
Catholic means baptized members of the Catholic denomination who consider themselves Catholics.
If I merely consider myself a conservative, does that make it so even though I vote for socialism?
Oh! I see what you're looking for! I'll try to help:
Protestants are Number One!! Yeah, Protestants!!
There. Does that make you feel validated now? Protestants are awesome, and I'm not just saying that.
First we have 160 years history of the Catholic vote. “...the rise of the Democratic party as we know it was to a great extent concomitant with the first waves of Irish Catholic immigrants to Northern cities.”
Second, I don’t know how you get confused on a baptized adult member of a church denomination, being as vague and useless as calling themselves something like conservative or liberal, or modern.
Catholic means baptized members of the Catholic denomination who consider themselves Catholics.
Protestant means all the other Christians, people who have never been baptized or may not have ever been in a church but consider themselves a Christian, blacks, Hispanics, gay Episcopalians, Lutherans, Evangelicals, and any and all, it is a vastly more diluted category than the baptized Catholic church members, yet the catch-all non-catholic Christian category is still far to the right of the catholic denomination.
Would I liked to have seen FDR run out of office in 1940, and the democrats lose every election since?
You betcha.
I'm not certain it's about their enthusiasm for their protestant faith as it is about their anti-Catholic bigotry. It's a shame, because Catholics on this forum agree with them on 95% of issues. You'd think they would argue theological issues with Catholics in the religion forum, but the don't. Instead they keep trying this "guilt by association" crap and they come through as so petty and small.
Catholics were 40% of combat Veterans during World War II. Ike got more Catholics than Dewey did in ’52, owing to the veterans vote. In any case, the Democratic Party in the ‘40s and ‘50s. was very different from what it became after 1968. Conservative Catholics kept Jimmy Byrnes from becoming Vp in 1944, and helped keep Harry Truman on the ticket in order to keep Wallace from making a come-back. They knew that there were Communists in the Party.and aimed to combat them in the Unions as well. As to vets, I am talking about Catholic vets. Anti-communism was a major factor among Catholics of that era. It wasn’t until the ‘60s and the Spirit of Vatican II Catholics that we get a different attitude. Then of course we get to ’72 when the liberal Liberals gained control of the party and gradually took over the labor unions after which lots changed.
FDR replacement in 1940 would have been Wilkie, and I guess you know he was at least as liberal os FDR. Dewey was not much different.
Show me your sources for these claims, where is the Catholic veteran breakdown for the 1952 election when the democrats won the Catholic vote by a wide margin.
Where are your sources for the religious breakdown of WWII combat veterans?
So, another Catholic voter supporting FDR as president for life, and supporting what he did to America.
We see a lot of this stuff on these threads, as we do of pro-immigration politics.
It amazes me what comes out on threads where the Catholic support of the democrat party comes up, suddenly we discover that we have a passionate DU group here.
If Wilkie, an ex-Democrat , had won in 1940, McNary, a progressive, would have been his Veep. McNary died of a brain tumor in Fe, 1944, and Wilkie of a heart attack in October, 1944. We haven’t a clue who would have been Wilkie’s running mate in 1944. Wilkie didn’t run in 1944 because he had become so progressive, that he had little support.
If you put down your pro-democrat Catholic bat for a minute, and look around where you are at, you are on a conservative political site and we are discussing democrat voters and immigration, and the loss of America.
The title of the article is “”Why are Catholics Democrats””
Show me your sources for these claims, where is the Catholic veteran breakdown for the 1952 election when the democrats won the Catholic vote by a wide margin.
Where are your sources for the religious breakdown of WWII combat veterans?
Had it not been for WWII, FDR probably would not have won re-election in 1940.
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