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1 posted on 01/31/2014 12:58:48 PM PST by matthewrobertolson
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But then, on the other hand:


2 posted on 01/31/2014 1:04:09 PM PST by mbarker12474
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“which Pope Benedict XVI warned against.”


Which Pope Francis embraced:

“”Back at the end of the 1970s and the beginning of the 1980s, I had no time for” charismatics, the pope told reporters on the plane returning from Rio July 28. “Once, speaking about them, I said: ‘These people confuse a liturgical celebration with samba lessons!’”

“Now I regret it,” he said. “Now I think that this movement does much good for the church, overall.”

“I don’t think that the charismatic renewal movement merely prevents people from passing over to Pentecostal denominations,” Pope Francis said. “No! It is also a service to the church herself! It renews us.”

“The movements are necessary, the movements are a grace of the Spirit,” the pope added, speaking of ecclesial movements in general. “Everyone seeks his own movement, according to his own charism, where the Holy Spirit draws him or her.””

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1303443.htm

That said, I think the Charismatic movement, whether Protestant or Papist, is dangerous.


3 posted on 01/31/2014 1:11:28 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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Let me know when you take on the Pope who thinks Islam and Muhammed lead you to the same place that Christianity and Jesus will. This video is direct evidence of the Pope (mis)leading people right to hell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlqgL-hAC-M#t=89
“Sharing our experience in carrying that cross, to expel the illness within our hearts, which embitters our life: it is important that you do this in your meetings. Those that are Christian, with the Bible, and those that are Muslim, with the Quran. The faith that your parents instilled in you will always help you move on.”


4 posted on 01/31/2014 1:11:39 PM PST by bramps (Go West America!)
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My time when active in the Catholic charismatic renewal encouraged me toward Catholic orthodoxy. My parents were “cafeteria Catholics,” encouraged by priests and self-important laity alike. It was finding the renewal that introduced me to folks who loved God, loved the faith, and loved the Church, and wished to conform themselves to the mind of Christ as taught to us by the Church.


5 posted on 01/31/2014 2:01:13 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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Maybe someday I’ll be concerned about whether everyone else prays the way I think they should ... or maybe I’ll use that mental energy to memorize “Beowulf.”


6 posted on 01/31/2014 2:12:52 PM PST by Tax-chick (... for the good of all of us, except the ones who are dead ...)
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I remember when the parish I grew up in got a Charismatic pastor. I moved away from that parish, but discovered years later that the pastor was in prison. He turned out to be the worst homosexual predator in the Diocese of Los Angeles.


7 posted on 01/31/2014 2:37:59 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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The Charismatics in our parish have never met a government handout they didn’t like. I’m fine with their huge families, but not at my expense.


9 posted on 01/31/2014 4:58:36 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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but instead of shouting the equivalent of, “Throw your hands in the air and wave 'em like you just don't care!”, perhaps the clergy and the leaders of the movement should restore a deeper respect for our Lord.

As opposed to what should be the Catholic mantra, 'we don't care what God says, we made up our own religion...'

I can't really tell if so many Catholics are so ignorant of the scriptures, or if it is willful deception...It's certainly one or the other...

Psa 134:2 Lift up your hands in the sanctuary, and bless the LORD.

10 posted on 01/31/2014 5:15:24 PM PST by Iscool
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I had attended a charismatic church early in my walk. The one thing I found disturbing was the “look at me, see how holy I am”. If they are going through the motions to impress other people, He is not impressed.

I sought the Lord
He sent a Dove

yet

I sought the Dove
It flew away.

Seek ye first.


13 posted on 01/31/2014 7:08:52 PM PST by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)
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2 Samuel 6:14-16 (AMP)
14 And David danced before the Lord with all his might, clad in a linen ephod [a priest’s upper garment].
15 So David and all the house of Israel brought up the ark of the Lord with shouting and with the sound of the trumpet.
16 As the ark of the Lord came into the City of David, Michal, Saul’s daughter [David’s wife], looked out of the window and saw King David leaping and dancing before the Lord, and she despised him in her heart.

Some people love the Lord, and others despise those that do. Nothing new under the sun.

Why don’t we just leave it to God to know what is in someone’s heart.


15 posted on 02/01/2014 11:44:16 AM PST by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")
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As for lifting Holy Hands unto the Lord, it is throughout the Bible, as this link gives those scriptures:

http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Lifting-Hands/


19 posted on 02/01/2014 12:51:52 PM PST by Kackikat
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Just curious

Is this yet another Catholic attack on non Catholics so Catholics here can then claim anti Catholic bigotry pervades the forum when we non Catholics push back against this chauvinism?

I’m Southern Baptist with Charismatic leanings....never ever seen in my life nasty Catholics like some here....its bizarre.... day in day out....swinging that metaphorical blade of the faith making pals

Five children whom I pay for not the state in response to whichever jerk here made that absurd accusation

A Catholic claiming charismatics had too many kids who they don’t take care of?
...is that rich or what....Hola Pancho!

I swear you guys act like its 1572 again....

Yet most Catholics in America exist in a bubble where they dominate

Large urban northern areas

So why so aggressive to other denominations?

We are a threat to you how exactly?


45 posted on 02/03/2014 1:41:41 AM PST by wardaddy (wifey instructed me today to grow chapter president beard back again....i wonder why?)
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2 Samuel 6:16

As the ark of the LORD was entering the City of David, Michal daughter of Saul watched from a window. And when she saw King David leaping and dancing before the LORD, she despised him in her heart.

54 posted on 02/03/2014 10:28:53 AM PST by Manic_Episode (F the Whigs)
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I learned a long time ago that the way I look at someone else (in regard to their worship style, dress, or whatever else) will not affect where they spend eternity, but it may affect where I do.


58 posted on 02/03/2014 10:53:07 AM PST by jda ("Righteousness exalts a nation . . .")
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