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To: matthewrobertolson
Seriously? You are arguing that the RCC is under the Law? That's not something to brag about - its ignorance of God's Word.

Meanwhile, Catholics use stone altars, as the Jews did. Priests also ritually wash their hands before celebrating the Sacrifice, in accordance with commands from the Old Testament (Exodus 30:17-21, Psalm 26:6). Even the use of holy water at parish entrances has its roots in Judaism. Before entering the Temple, Jews were required to undergo immersion in a mikveh (ritual bath). And there's so much more!

Do you keep the ENTIRE Law? Do you circumcise? Do you keep all the food laws, all the sacrifices and offerings? Because if you miss it in even one area...

James 2:10 (AMP)

10 For whosoever keeps the Law [as a] whole but stumbles and offends in one [single instance] has become guilty of [breaking] all of it.

Please read this carefully - Christians (those that place their faith in Jesus) have died to the law - it has no jurisdiction over the dead.

Galatians 2:19-20 (AMP)

19 For I through the Law [under the operation of the curse of the Law] have [in Christ's death for me] myself died to the Law and all the Law's demands upon me, so that I may [henceforth] live to and for God.

20 I have been crucified with Christ [in Him I have shared His crucifixion]; it is no longer I who live, but Christ (the Messiah) lives in me; and the life I now live in the body I live by faith in (by adherence to and reliance on and complete trust in) the Son of God, Who loved me and gave Himself up for me.

Galatians 3:24-25 (AMP)

24 So that the Law served [to us Jews] as our trainer [our guardian, our guide to Christ, to lead us] until Christ [came], that we might be justified (declared righteous, put in right standing with God) by and through faith.

25 But now that the faith has come, we are no longer under a trainer (the guardian of our childhood).

Religious bondage is a fool's errand when God's Grace is freely and abundantly given. And besides...

Colossians 2:20-23 (AMP)

20 If then you have died with Christ to material ways of looking at things and have escaped from the world's crude and elemental notions and teachings of externalism, why do you live as if you still belong to the world? [Why do you submit to rules and regulations?—such as]

21 Do not handle [this], Do not taste [that], Do not even touch [them],

22 Referring to things all of which perish with being used. To do this is to follow human precepts and doctrines.

23 Such [practices] have indeed the outward appearance [that popularly passes] for wisdom, in promoting self-imposed rigor of devotion and delight in self-humiliation and severity of discipline of the body, but they are of no value in checking the indulgence of the flesh (the lower nature). [Instead, they do not honor God but serve only to indulge the flesh.]

23 posted on 02/01/2014 5:27:14 PM PST by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")
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To: Kandy Atz; Kackikat; matthewrobertolson
Seriously? You are arguing that the RCC is under the Law? That's not something to brag about - its ignorance of God's Word.

They even admit it (from that link)

In addition, the Mass is another sign of the Christian fulfillment of the Law (Matthew 5:17-18), because it is in harmony with ancient Jewish traditions. We use stone altars, as the Jews did. Priests also ritually wash their hands before celebrating the Sacrifice, in accordance with commands from the Old Testament (Exodus 30:17-21, Psalm 26:6). Even the use of holy water at parish entrances has its roots in Judaism. Before entering the Temple, Jews were required to undergo immersion in a mikveh (ritual bath).

And then, following some of the links from there, it's interesting to see all the divisions in their religion just in the liturgy alone...Here's one example where they attack the Tridentine form of the mass...

Unfortunately, within this liturgical framework, there is a minority that puts its personal preferences above the judgment of the Church. There are some that insist on identifying only with the Tridentine form (which, by the way, was not even promulgated until 1570, despite its proponents’ focus on antiquity) and push willful neglect of the perfectly-valid Novus Ordo, and there are some that advocate the reverse. Both sides are wrong – both forms are right. These factions do nothing but needlessly scare off potential converts that seek a unified message.

Following the old Jewish Laws will send everyone who does so to Hell...

24 posted on 02/01/2014 6:44:25 PM PST by Iscool
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To: Kandy Atz; BlueDragon; Iscool
If you're wanting to actually learn the Catholic position on the Law and what "fulfillment" of it means (which, obviously, I have been so far unable to lay out in depth here) and not just wanting to throw around unsubstantiated polemics, see this article:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3098023/posts
31 posted on 02/02/2014 7:05:24 AM PST by matthewrobertolson
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To: Kandy Atz
I think...that we are very much in agreement.

The scripture passages which you brought, I do see applied much the same as I think you intended them to be.

Basis Christianity, room 304?

36 posted on 02/02/2014 9:09:45 AM PST by BlueDragon ("the fans are staying away from the ballpark...in droves" Yogi Berra)
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