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To: vladimir998

So you think verses which clearly state the believer is secure are heresy? Guess that’s why we will never agree. I’ll stand on God’s Word: John 10:28, John 6:37-39; and pretty much all of Romans.

Scripture states that it is through faith, not works — Ephesians 2:8-9

In context, the Scripture which speaks of the two together, and which so many Roman Catholics have misunderstood, James 2:14-26, clearly demonstrates the difference between a true, saving faith, and the type which demons possess. Works are not what save, but rather demonstrate the type of faith one has.

Nothing more really need be said. You have demonstrated you cling to the man-made institution of Catholicism; I to Scripture and God’s Word. No middle ground there that I can see. You may continue a monologue if you wish, but continuing this back and forth is unprofitable and I have better things to do, frankly.


58 posted on 02/16/2014 1:26:26 PM PST by JLLH
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To: JLLH

“So you think verses which clearly state the believer is secure are heresy?”

There are no verse which “clearly state the believer is secure” in the absolute sense. Those who believe and follow Christ have conditional security.

“Guess that’s why we will never agree. I’ll stand on God’s Word: John 10:28, John 6:37-39; and pretty much all of Romans.”

You don’t stand with God’s Word. You abuse it twist it to your own destruction. Even some Protestants know that to be the case: http://www.amazon.com/The-Believers-Conditional-Security-Eternal/dp/0963907689

“Scripture states that it is through faith, not works — Ephesians 2:8-9”

Oh, you’re going to bring up James 2:24 next? Okay. James 2:24 states it is through works and not faith alone - and that is the only time in the entire Bible the phrase “faith alone” appears. St. Paul uses the phrase “obedience of faith” for a reason.

“In context, the Scripture which speaks of the two together, and which so many Roman Catholics have misunderstood, James 2:14-26, clearly demonstrates the difference between a true, saving faith, and the type which demons possess. Works are not what save, but rather demonstrate the type of faith one has.”

And that would still mean James is correct when he says that we are not saved by “faith alone”.

“Nothing more really need be said. You have demonstrated you cling to the man-made institution of Catholicism; I to Scripture and God’s Word.”

Well, you can keep telling yourself these falsehoods all you like. But you’ll have to ask yourself why so many of your fellow Protestants don’t believe in once-saved-always-saved but also claim to believe in sola scriptura. Clearly your man-made 16th century heretical doctrines don’t work.

“No middle ground there that I can see. You may continue a monologue if you wish, but continuing this back and forth is unprofitable and I have better things to do, frankly.”

Isn’t this the 2nd time (or more?) where you implied you were going to stop posting?


59 posted on 02/16/2014 1:42:54 PM PST by vladimir998
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