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Is Contraception the Hill We Want to Die On?
Crisis Magazine ^ | february 14, 2014 | Austin Ruse

Posted on 02/16/2014 2:09:51 PM PST by NYer

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To: NYer; metmom; Alex Murphy

What hill?

Wasn’t there a thread just this morning bemoaning the fact that TV priests aren’t talking about contraception during their homolies?

Seems Rome needs to get it’s collective act together first.


21 posted on 02/16/2014 3:16:29 PM PST by Gamecock (Grace is not opposed to human activity. It's opposed to human merit. MSH)
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To: NYer

The forced sexualization of our kids and brainwashing them to be homosexuals should be the hill we die on.


22 posted on 02/16/2014 3:18:10 PM PST by mdmathis6 (American Christians can help America best by remembering that we are Heaven's citizens first!)
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To: Gamecock

Dear Game

re protestant trolls

Psychologists: Internet Trolls Are Narcissistic, Psychopathic, and Sadistic
Soulskill posted yesterday | from Hugh Pickens DOT Com

Hugh Pickens DOT Com writes “Chris Mooney reports at Slate that research conducted by Erin Buckels of the University of Manitoba confirmed that people who engage in internet trolling are characterized by personality traits that fall in the so-called Dark Tetrad: Machiavellianism (willingness to manipulate and deceive others), narcissism (egotism and self-obsession), psychopathy (the lack of remorse and empathy), and sadism (pleasure in the suffering of others). In the study, trolls were identified in a variety of ways. One was by simply asking survey participants what they ‘enjoyed doing most’ when on online comment sites, offering five options: ‘debating issues that are important to you,’ ‘chatting with others,’ ‘making new friends,’ ‘trolling others,’ and ‘other.’ The study recruited participants from Amazon’s Mechanical Turk website and two measures of sadistic personality were administered (PDF): the Short Sadistic Impulse Scale and the Varieties of Sadistic Tendencies Scale. Only 5.6 percent of survey respondents actually specified that they enjoyed ‘trolling.’ By contrast, 41.3 percent of Internet users were ‘non-commenters,’ meaning they didn’t like engaging online at all. So trolls are, as has often been suspected, a minority of online commenters, and an even smaller minority of overall Internet users. Overall, the authors found that the relationship between sadism and trolling was the strongest, and that indeed, sadists appear to troll because they find it pleasurable. ‘Both trolls and sadists feel sadistic glee at the distress of others. Sadists just want to have fun ... and the Internet is their playground!’ The study comes as websites are increasingly weighing steps to rein in trollish behavior but the study authors aren’t sure that fix is a realistic one. ‘Because the behaviors are intrinsically motivating for sadists, comment moderators will likely have a difficult time curbing trolling with punishments (e.g., banning users),’ says Buckels. ‘Ultimately, the allure of trolling may be too strong for sadists, who presumably have limited opportunities to express their sadistic interests in a socially-desirable manner.’ Perhaps posting rights should only be unlocked if you pass a test.”


23 posted on 02/16/2014 3:21:26 PM PST by LurkingSince'98 (Catholics=John 6:53-58 Everyone else=John 6:60-66)
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To: NYer

Certain defeat awaits us up Contraceptive Hill. We should not fight there.


I’m not a Catholic but its wrong to sacrifice ones principles because a majority may be against it or one may lose in the courts.

Abolitionists never gave up even after loss after loss in the Supreme Court.

Stand firm even when its not popular to do so.


24 posted on 02/16/2014 3:23:01 PM PST by RginTN
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To: Vince Ferrer

The author concludes it is not a battle we should fight. But if one considers the earliest comments from progressives in the Woodrow Wilson’s Presidency, it becomes abundantly clear that things like abortion, contraception, and minimum wage form a deadly circular argument.

...a Princeton economist said this:

“It is much better to enact a minimum-wage law even if it deprives these unfortunates of work… better that the state should support the inefficient wholly and prevent the multiplication of the breed than subsidize incompetence and unthrift, enabling them to bring forth more of their kind.”

Royal Meeker, U.S. Commissioner of Labor, under Woodrow Wilson.

If the teeming masses understood that the very thing they are clamoring for is their own extinction, would it change the game? For the Democrats this war on women issue is not about freeing a woman from a bad choice. Their incompetence is rewarded by them not bringing forth more of their kind.

Is contraception hill the battle worth having? Only if we truly are willing to remove the mask of the democrat party. Contraception/abortion is about doing away with a whole class of people. Minimum wage is there to lock people out of the job market, not make it more fair.


25 posted on 02/16/2014 3:23:56 PM PST by EBH ( The Day of the Patriot has arrived.)
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To: mdmathis6

dear mdmath..

you have got that exactly right.

to let any taint of that to fall upon the little ones is just asking the Lord to rain judgement down upon our own heads for looking the other way.

AMDG


26 posted on 02/16/2014 3:24:57 PM PST by LurkingSince'98 (Catholics=John 6:53-58 Everyone else=John 6:60-66)
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To: RginTN; EBH

thanks

yes, inaction is the same as assent.

Do nothing and they will take your silence as a vote for their warped principles.

Lurking’


27 posted on 02/16/2014 3:28:49 PM PST by LurkingSince'98 (Catholics=John 6:53-58 Everyone else=John 6:60-66)
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To: LurkingSince'98

That would fit the Papist/liberal paradigm very well, wouldn’t it?


28 posted on 02/16/2014 3:29:32 PM PST by Gamecock (Grace is not opposed to human activity. It's opposed to human merit. MSH)
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To: LurkingSince'98

“the 60’s generation of groovy priests and nuns who as some one recently said “wanted to appear a little protestant’ to be ecumenical.”

How come they took the bad parts?

If they took being on fire for Jesus, it would make a world revolution.


29 posted on 02/16/2014 3:34:08 PM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. E)
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To: NYer

What this idiot doesn’t realize is that contraception is a symbolic issue. It’s the teensy, weeny, tiny pinch of incense to Caesar that really (as Obama assured them) “doesn’t mean anything,” but will bring down the whole thing.

Paul VI was weak and defeated, but even he realized this and that’s one of the reasons he said “no” in Humanae Vitae.


30 posted on 02/16/2014 3:36:22 PM PST by livius
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To: Jim Noble

Jim,

I agree as a traditional Catholic - I love our Church and I love the Scripture which certainly stokes the fire in my belly.

However, they are primarily socialists and I don’t believe they took the bad parts, but purposefully imported marxist/socialist agitprop and ‘liberation theology’ into the Catholic church wherever and whenever they can.

thaks
Lurking’


31 posted on 02/16/2014 3:45:47 PM PST by LurkingSince'98 (Catholics=John 6:53-58 Everyone else=John 6:60-66)
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To: Jim Noble

Jim,

I also see you point, by that I meant that the Catholic priests to appear more ecumenical - tried to be more protestant by accepting the protestant teachings on contraception which are generally more liberal than Catholic teachings on contraception.

thanks


32 posted on 02/16/2014 3:48:59 PM PST by LurkingSince'98 (Catholics=John 6:53-58 Everyone else=John 6:60-66)
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To: NYer

It profits a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world...but for Northern Virginia?


33 posted on 02/16/2014 3:51:03 PM PST by RichInOC (2013-14 Tiber Swim Team)
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To: NYer

The saddest part for this country is that the brightest and most capable women and men are electing to opt out of children. The pill is the weapon of mass destruction. Darwin did not count on the competition from lifestyle to negate the survival of the fittest.


34 posted on 02/16/2014 3:52:17 PM PST by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: cripplecreek

I wonder, what would happen if Catholics actually voted based upon what the Church teaches? I mean, Catholic Democrips vote despite what the Church teaches so why are Republicants allowing this issue to define the ‘opposition’ to the democrips?


35 posted on 02/16/2014 3:56:24 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: NYer

If you are not willing to fight for your principles then you really don’t have any principles..


36 posted on 02/16/2014 4:00:15 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign up for the American Revolution 2014 and the Crusades 2014?)
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To: MHGinTN

hi MHG..

those Catholic Demorats are not catholic at all by voting for abortion on demand they have automatically ex-communicated themselves from the body of the Church, latae sententiae. They just don’t accept it.

“A latae sententiae penalty is one that follows ipso facto or automatically, by force of the law itself, when a law is contravened; a penalty that binds a guilty party only after it has been imposed on the person is known as a ferendae sententiae (meaning “sentence to be passed”) penalty.”

AD Majoram Dei Gloriam


37 posted on 02/16/2014 4:00:56 PM PST by LurkingSince'98 (Catholics=John 6:53-58 Everyone else=John 6:60-66)
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To: NYer
Like it or not, the Church remaining faithful to what Scripture and preaching and teaching against contraception is the hill we'll "die on" and it's playing out in the courts as we speak. If the Church fights in court, loses, and then yields rather than closing down what it has to and starting to routinely proclaim the Truth, it's all over for the Catholic Church in this country.

It's not a matter of fighting to change laws, it's a matter of fighting to change people's hearts. The laws that forbade contraception were passed when Catholic votes were insignificant because all Protestants agreed with what Scripture makes clear. They were repealed when "enlightened" interpretations first swayed the "elites" and rapidly accepted by Protestants because their churches decided in the sixties to not risk a battle on that particular hill.

If there is no Catholic backbone left to stick to the Truth come what may, it'll be the straw that broke the camel's back for this country.

38 posted on 02/16/2014 4:01:55 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: LurkingSince'98

Um, then if they have excommunicated themselves why are they continuing to receive Eucharist from the Priests?


39 posted on 02/16/2014 4:02:31 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: NYer

“While only the Catholic Church maintains this teaching on contraception...”

The Amish and old order Mennonites never changed either. Also, if one searches for ‘Protestants/Evangelicals/fundamentalists against birth control within marriage’ it seems there is a growing movement that is connecting the dots between acceptance of bc and other societal ills, some are flatly rejecting bc within marriage.

Freegards, thanks for all the pings on FR


40 posted on 02/16/2014 4:07:00 PM PST by Ransomed
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