[DarkSavant]

I didn't change the topic: They presume to tell married couples how to manage their sex life.

You stated the Catholic Church tried to manage people's sex lives. I was showing the ridiculousness of your assertion. Can Christians have moral teachings regarding sex outside marriage and sodomy, since that also means "managing their sex life"?

The hypocrisy abounds. NFP is about preventing pregnancy, the very thing that is condemned by many Catholics on this board. Sex without the risk of pregnancy is sex without the risk of pregnancy. If that is inherently evil, then so is NFP because one of it's main purposes is sex without the risk of pregnancy.

Wrong. Completely and utterly wrong. NFP is as about getting pregnant as avoiding pregnancy. Couples looking to conceive, even ones with fertility issues, use it to great effect. Contraceptives make a woman take chemicals that cause havoc on a perfectly functioning reproductive system, or make a male use a condom and commit Onanism.

When a couple decides, they can use NFP to abstain from the marital act during peak times. They can also use NFP to increase their chances of conceiving. It's a tool, and a good one at that. The others do are a direct action towards not conceiving and the end game and is therefore not allowable.

It's been shown on this thread that your interpretation of Onan does not correlate with the Church fathers, or with scriptural consistency.

Also, my wife was at risk of miscarriage from low progesterone. Charting with NFP made us see the problem early and avoided her having a miscarriage. Others who didn't know about NFP didn't have the same good fortune.

You didn't respond to the passage in Matthew. Imagine that...

I'll concede your final point, but it does nothing to bolster your case.

[metmom]

I didn't change the topic:

Sure you did. Why did you presume that my comment of They presume to tell married couples how to manage their sex life. meant priests telling married couples not to have sex? (Your comment of "Can you give an example of an occasion a Priest told a married couple they could not have sex? ")

My comment did not say anything about priests telling married couples not to have sex.

Matthew 19:1-13 does NOT say virginity is better than marriage. Just another Scripture twisted to support Catholic doctrine.

When God created Adam, he said that it was not good for man to be alone. Sex was God's idea and He blessed the union and gives a portion of His Spirit in that union.

If virginity were better for man, then why did God make sex necessary for procreation? Why make sex in the first place?

What kind of God to Catholics serve who would create man and woman, give them a strong sex drive, and then tell them that it's better to not have the sex He created them with a desire to have?

How twisted is that?

That alone tells me where the *virginity is better than sex* mentality comes from. It's from the enemy who is constantly out to destroy the human race and destroy the most basic relationship known to man, the marriage one.

Teaching against marriage, forbidding to marry, is a sign of false teaching.

1 Timothy 4:1-3 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.