[HiTech RedNeck]

Also, it sounds like you may be implicitly putting special requirements on them that you in fact would not on other kinds of sinners. And they are very expectedly caused to stumble by that.

It is a long, arduous, cross-laden process. Not a finger snap.

Would like you like to learn approaches that work better?

[GeronL]

If someone came in and asked for a cake for their abortion party, I am sure they would say NO too

[John O]

I perceive that the modern championing of the sin was because Christians shrank back from the difficult and cross-laden task of leading these sinners back from their sins to a form of blessed life style. Might be virtuous singlehood. Might be faithful marriage. All they could do is think of what you have thought of — shame them out of society.

The first step towards bringing someone to repentence is making them aware of their sin. It is what Jesus did EVERY time He talked to someone.

How can we do anything less than what Jesus did?

And it really isn’t that hard. Offer one’s members to God (the Father to be exact) as weapons of righteousness. With prayer. Don’t take the negative attitude (”pray the gay away”) so much as the positive one (”pray the straight to yourself.”)

I do agree with this part. But until they admit they are a sinner they will not recognize that they need a Savior.

(please note that the rules for a fallen Christian are different. They are covered under 1 Cor 5:1-5)

John O->(I recognize that many thousands have left that lifestyle, but in all the hundreds that I've talked to over the years I've not found one that would repent.)

HTR->This is a confusing claim. You need only go as far as Exodus International to find a self help group that is in fact involved in the process of repenting!

My gist was that I personally did not know of any that had repented. The ones that I know are firmly and unrepentedly wrapped up in their sin. And they were at on time Christian. They know what the word says about it. But they gave in to their sin and claimed that and rejected Christ

And why were they able to do that? Because some well meaning people made them comfortable in their sin. Now they are lost and so far it doesn't look at all like they will ever come back. I do not know if they have reached the point of no return (Heb 6:4-6) but they should be treated as in 1 Cor 5:1-6. They must be shunned and let satan destroy the flesh so that perhaps the spirit can be saved.

And God is angry that it should need a special purpose self help group. Why not every church in every town!

I agree entirely. But first we need to stop making them comfortable in their sin.

Also, it sounds like you may be implicitly putting special requirements on them that you in fact would not on other kinds of sinners. And they are very expectedly caused to stumble by that.

Nope. Same requirements as on anyone else (including myself). There is no salvation with out repentence. There is no repentence without admitting the need to repent.

It is a long, arduous, cross-laden process. Not a finger snap.

I agree. The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. The journey to Salvation starts with admitting you're a sinner.

Would like you like to learn approaches that work better?

I'm always interested in learning. What do you have that's biblical?