Posted on 03/06/2014 9:14:17 AM PST by SeekAndFind
“1) Does DNA determine destiny or personality?”
Yes it does have an influence on both.
“DNA is just a group of self-replicating material that determine our genetic traits. Suffice it to say that what we have is a DIFFERENT PERSON, not the rapist.”
SO what. It was left there by the rapist without her consent.
“2) Therefore, killing the child is NOT self-defense because the child is not the individual. It is the one with the other DNA — the rapist.”
That’s your opinion. You know what they say about opinions...
“3) The child has a LIVING SOUL in the image of God.”
Are you suggesting that God was a party to the rape? The rapist is a living soul as well, but the woman would be justified in killing him to prevent the rape.
“4) You don’t have to be the mother of the child if you don’t want to. There are hundreds of thousands of people waiting to love and adopt the child. Most of them you need never hear from again.”
It depends on the race of the child unfortunately.
The baby is innocent. It has a right to live. No matter what.
I’m not sure I trust the source, but here’s one:
“What about danger to emotional health? There are certain circumstances where this, too, may be grounds for abortion. For example, if the mother became pregnant through rape, and the thought of bearing this child will cause her a nervous breakdown or severe emotional trauma.”
http://judaism.about.com/library/3_askrabbi_o/bl_simmons_birthcontrolabortion.htm
“I can’t imagine the traumatic emotional and mental results of a rape (thank God). But as bad as they must be, I don’t believe it benefits a woman emotionally to abort the child. Long-term, I believe it will only add to her problems.”
In most cases when a woman is raped and report it, they do a rape kit to collect evidence. This involves a D&C which is in effect an abortion. And it doesn’t add to the woman’s problems.
Yes you are an idiot, because that is exactly what you are arguing FOR!
The Lubavitch movement hosts an “Askmoses.com” site, where the answer is:
Rabbi Shlomo Chein: Welcome. I’ll be with you in a moment...what’s on your mind?
jm: does judaism allow abortion in the case of rape?
Rabbi Shlomo Chein: Generally no. Rape per se is not sufficient reason to allow abortion. However if it happens heaven forbid and the victim wants to consider abortion, she should speak to a qualified rabbi in this field
jm: does it matter if the rapist is jew or gentile?
Rabbi Shlomo Chein: all these things will be taken into consideration by the rabbi involved. The child will be Jewish either way
jm: does judaism permit abortion in the case of incest, heaven forbid it should happen?
Rabbi Shlomo Chein: in the case of incest (or a married woman who was raped) the child will be a Mamzer; some rabbinic authorities see this as a reason to allow abortion.1 However, each case is different and a qualified Rabbi must be consulted.
jm: thanks for answering my questions. be well.
Rabbi Shlomo Chein: you too
RE: Yes it does have an influence on both.
It might but not necessarily. I don’t believe that a baby conceived from rape will necessarily end up being a rapist or a bad person. UPBRINGING is even more important.
RE: SO what. It was left there by the rapist without her consent.
SO what, It is still just physical material. I have my father’s DNA, that does not make me my father. In fact, my relatives tell me that me and my father have little in common.
RE: That’s your opinion. You know what they say about opinions...
And that goes for your opinion too. And you know what they say about opinions...
RE: Are you suggesting that God was a party to the rape?
No He isn’t, but He in his sovereign wisdom, CREATED the human being. That human being is INNOCENT.
RE: The rapist is a living soul as well, but the woman would be justified in killing him to prevent the rape.
Only if the rapist attempts to rape her. You don;t go about killing every person just because you are suspicious of their motives.
RE: It depends on the race of the child unfortunately.
Read this page:
http://www.rebeccakiessling.com/Othersconceivedinrape.html
This page is a compilation of life-affirming personal stories of men and women who were conceived in rape and/or incest.
Suffice it to say that an adopted child, given love and the right upbringing, can be a good, productive citizen of society.
Maybe not in all cases. But some rape victims who became pregnant chose to give birth. Do you think they regretted doing so? I don't. I think it's safe to assume they would have regretted an abortion.
I guess my point is if there is an option to remove the unborn person without killing them, does the woman still have the right to use lethal force against the unborn person in self defense? Or is that option taken away from her at that point?
Freegards
I find it amazing that so many men think they aren’t allowed to have an opinion on abortion.
Just because we’re men it means we can’t have an opinion on murder? On destructive segments in our society? On adherence to Gods law?
It’s PC to accept a mans opinion if he’s pro-abortion but not if he’s pro-life.
RE: Just because we’re men it means we can’t have an opinion on murder? On destructive segments in our society? On adherence to Gods law?
I don’t own slaves, nor can I buy out all slaves to set them free even if I wanted to. That does not make my opinion about the evils of slavery invalid.
“I guess my point is if there is an option to remove the unborn person without killing them, does the woman still have the right to use lethal force against the unborn person in self defense? Or is that option taken away from her at that point?
I would say it probably does...
Just because we’re men it means we can’t have an opinion on murder? On destructive segments in our society? On adherence to Gods law?
It’s PC to accept a mans opinion if he’s pro-abortion but not if he’s pro-life."
Exactly right.
I don't mean to dismiss or minimize a rape victim's distress by what I'm going to say. But feminism has tried (and pretty much succeeded) to elevate the female reproductive parts to a kind of weirdly sacred status. This has served to make men unworthy (in their view) of having an opinion, unless it happens to benefit them.
If Jack commits a crime against Sarah, is it ok for Sarah to kill Mary because she reminds Sarah of the crime?
“Maybe not in all cases. But some rape victims who became pregnant chose to give birth.
And I say God bless them...
BTW, the pro-life folks are winning the abortion battle. More than half in th polls disagree with abortion on demand, and with the younger crowd it’s even more. This is a good thing... this nightmare will end.
From your lips to God’s ears!
Thanks.
Freegards
Not to me. But I was just wondering about it for those that think it’s some sort of self defense. Is it a vengeance thing completely up to the victim of the rape or does that option get taken away if the ‘threat’ of the rape-produced unborn person can be removed without killing them?
Personally I wouldn’t want to tell someone that they had to be murdered because the technology at the time wasn’t up to snuff.
FReegards
Phrase it another way and it becomes clearer. Is it appropriate to put one person in mortal jeopardy because of the crimes of a different person?
Again, no. It doesn’t seem like it would ever be appropriate to me.
FReegards
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