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Pope Francis' Popularity not Bringing More into Catholic Church
The Los Angeles Times ^ | 3/5/14 | Kurt Streeter

Posted on 03/06/2014 5:00:32 PM PST by marshmallow

Pew Research poll finds no change in the number of people who self-identify as Catholic or in the number sitting in church pews on Sundays.

Pope Francis is one of the best-known religious figures in the world, but a new Pew Research poll seeking to quantify his popularity raises questions about the so-called Francis effect.

The poll found an overwhelming embrace of Francis, who has been trying to steer the Catholic Church toward a greater emphasis on compassion for the poor and marginalized. Sixty percent of non-Catholics and 85% of Catholics surveyed said they viewed the pontiff favorably — numbers approaching those of Pope John Paul II, whose peak popularity ratings among Catholics hovered just above 90%.

However, the poll found no change in the number of people who self-identify as Catholic or in the number sitting in church pews on Sundays. Twenty-two percent of those surveyed described themselves as Catholic, the same figure as in the year preceding Francis' election. Forty percent said they attended Mass at least once a week, unchanged from just before the papal transition.

While the survey found a significant increase in the excitement Catholics are feeling about their faith, there wasn't evidence they are volunteering or attending confession more.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: popefrancis; romancatholicism
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Unsurprising. The Pope's message, at least as perceived by the world (rightly or wrongly), does not appear to stress the importance or pre-eminence of Catholic theology nor the urgency of conversion. On the contrary, he appears to say "be a good Anglican, be a good Muslim" and his "popularity" is due to the perception of him being opposed to most of what the world opposes in Catholicism; changeless doctrine, moral absolutes, and tradition. That sort of "popularity" doesn't bring converts.
1 posted on 03/06/2014 5:00:32 PM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3130303/posts


2 posted on 03/06/2014 5:02:22 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: marshmallow

Ditto.


3 posted on 03/06/2014 5:02:56 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: marshmallow

From the LATinmes? LOL!

Glad you believe them. I don’t.


4 posted on 03/06/2014 5:03:17 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Gamecock
....the poll found no change in the number of people who self-identify as Catholic or in the number sitting in church pews on Sundays. Twenty-two percent of those surveyed described themselves as Catholic, the same figure as in the year preceding Francis' election. Forty percent said they attended Mass at least once a week, unchanged from just before the papal transition.

While the survey found a significant increase in the excitement Catholics are feeling about their faith, there wasn't evidence they are volunteering or attending confession more.

Oops.

5 posted on 03/06/2014 5:04:18 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: marshmallow

Considering that the vast majority of Catholics who enter the church enter at Easter it is a particularly poor time to conduct the survey.

The way to track the Francis effect would be to compare the size of RCIA classes from one year to the next.


6 posted on 03/06/2014 5:05:40 PM PST by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: marshmallow

The modern Catholic Church is not evangelical, in my opinion. I wouldn’t expect that to change.


7 posted on 03/06/2014 5:19:13 PM PST by Burkean (.)
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To: marshmallow

The modern Catholic Church is not evangelical, in my opinion. I wouldn’t expect that to change.


8 posted on 03/06/2014 5:33:19 PM PST by Burkean (.)
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To: rwilson99

I teach an RCIA class. This year’s crop is no larger than normal.

This pope will probably attract a good number of converts, but also convince a great many more lukewarm Catholics that they have no particular reason to keep coming round.


9 posted on 03/06/2014 6:24:48 PM PST by Romulus
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To: Salvation

You only trust NBC as a source?


10 posted on 03/06/2014 6:56:00 PM PST by ansel12
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To: Romulus
This pope will probably attract a good number of converts, but also convince a great many more lukewarm Catholics that they have no particular reason to keep coming round.

And convince a number of very devout and observant traditional Catholics that maybe some of the independent Catholic groups are worth considering.

11 posted on 03/06/2014 6:58:30 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: marshmallow
The Pope's message, at least as perceived by the world (rightly or wrongly), does not appear to stress the importance or pre-eminence of Catholic theology nor the urgency of conversion. On the contrary, he appears to say "be a good Anglican, be a good Muslim" and his "popularity" is due to the perception of him being opposed to most of what the world opposes in Catholicism; changeless doctrine, moral absolutes, and tradition.

Very astute observations.

12 posted on 03/06/2014 7:00:13 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: Burkean

**The modern Catholic Church is not evangelical**

And just how do you know that?

Many Catholic Churches are growing by leaps and bounds because there is a Holy Spirit filled energy within them — that’s evangelical!


13 posted on 03/06/2014 9:14:46 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ansel12

When did I say that?


14 posted on 03/06/2014 9:15:43 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

I was merely wondering how much difference you saw between the LA Times, versus the source you posted, NBC.


15 posted on 03/06/2014 9:20:05 PM PST by ansel12 (Whow)
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To: Romulus

And that’s about what my assessment is too... Give the guy 5-10 years and see what he accomplishes in terms of reform of the beuracracy and most importantly in my book... Who our new bishop will be in two years.


16 posted on 03/07/2014 1:59:59 AM PST by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: ansel12

Exactly. This talk of “media bias of MSM sources” is a bunch of hooey. MSM sources are totally accurate when they report what one believes.


17 posted on 03/07/2014 2:46:11 AM PST by piusv
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To: marshmallow
This might not be a popular post, but I will give you my observations as a Protestant who married a Catholic, and has attended Catholic services for over 25 years:

(1)Catholics generally do not know the bible. Cathecism apparently focused more on Dogma than scripture. Frame that picture versus VBS and Sunday School which drilled chapter and verse like crazy. I am often floored by how they don't know

(2)Overstructured services that vary little, are counterproductive toward recharging the heart.

(3)Homilies focus more on church doctrine and position than on people's personal lives.

(4)Clergy are generally but not exclusively less personable than Protestant counterparts.

(5)Catholics grow their faith more through threats than good PR/deeds. I will be nice and not go into details, and will entertain examples if needed though freepmail.

On the other hand, I am a history buff, and find it fascinating that this faith has remained intact for almost 2000 years. I also see why all my ancestors left it 300-500 years ago too.

18 posted on 03/07/2014 3:10:38 AM PST by catfish1957 (Face it!!!! The government in DC is full of treasonous bastards)
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To: marshmallow

Wow, that REALLY surprises me.


19 posted on 03/07/2014 4:04:35 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: marshmallow

Maybe he is trying to be a PEACEMAKER first, speaking about the Gospel of Christ to a very troubled world.


20 posted on 03/07/2014 4:06:09 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: marshmallow

I think this supposed popularilty is much more with the media and far left than with Catholic rank and file. I’m not suggesting he is unpopular but I see no reason to believe that he’s any more popular overall than the Pope who preceded him.


21 posted on 03/07/2014 4:47:37 AM PST by circlecity
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To: circlecity

What I see is that Pope Francis is simply preaching what his favorite saint, Francis of Assisi once said: “preach the Gospel always, but when possible, use words.” It all comes down to preaching the Gospel with your everyday living.


22 posted on 03/07/2014 5:45:07 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: rwilson99

As a layperson who is helping out one of my parish church’s deacons in the RCIA program, there are 3 canidates, 3 Catholics who have been baptized, but still need to get confirmed and to make their first euchurestic communion, the latter this coming Easter.

Even if it was just one person, I REJOICE because he or she is answering the call of Christ to holy conversion.


23 posted on 03/07/2014 5:51:25 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: circlecity

At least he comes from the new world which is a first.


24 posted on 03/07/2014 6:09:38 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Burkean

Yet you cannot deny that the Catholic Church GAVED to the world the Holy Bible. If that is NOT evangelical, I do not know what is.


25 posted on 03/07/2014 6:11:17 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl
Yet you cannot deny that the Catholic Church GAVED to the world the Holy Bible.

Did anyone give the Catholic church the Bible? Did the Catholic church create the Bible? Is the Bible the word of the Catholic church? From whence came the words in the Bible? Was the OT published, in place and available before the Lord was born?

26 posted on 03/07/2014 8:22:04 AM PST by xone
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The Church not only preserved the OT, but made possible the NT. That is why the Church HAS to be thanked. Case closed.


27 posted on 03/07/2014 8:27:25 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: catfish1957

“I am a history buff, and find it fascinating that this faith has remained intact for almost 2000 years. I also see why all my ancestors left it 300-500 years ago too”

Because it’s the One, True, Church, whether some PROTESTant wants to believe it or not.

There is nothing more rewarding than living your life for God, and the blueprint for this is contained in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Everything in the world you want to know on how to live your live for Christ and your fellow man (one in the same), is right there. It is no one’s fault but their own that they are ignorant of the own faith, or does not have the intestinal fortitude to abide by the teachings of Almighty God/the Catholic Church. They want to do it their way, instead of God’s way. No one gets to heaven living their live for themselves. Catholicism is not for sissies and God never promised us it would be easy to follow Him.


28 posted on 03/07/2014 8:29:55 AM PST by NKP_Vet ("I got a good Christin' raisin', an 8th grade education, ain't no need ya'll treatin' me this way")
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To: NKP_Vet

Plus the Holy Bible as well.


29 posted on 03/07/2014 8:31:51 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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The Church not only preserved the OT, but made possible the NT.

The OT had been preserved in total 400 years despite the presence of the political structures that would have desired its extinction.

Made possible by the Catholic church? Christ Himself promised that it would be preserved. The thanks go to God. The Catholic church claims credit for the work of God. Matthew 24:35; Mark 13:31; Luke 21:33 It also claims extra-scriptural dogma is necessary for salvation so that claiming credit for God's work shouldn't and doesn't surprise anyone.

30 posted on 03/07/2014 8:54:06 AM PST by xone
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To: NKP_Vet
Almighty God/the Catholic Church.

The curse of Rome, equating itself with God Almighty.

31 posted on 03/07/2014 8:55:55 AM PST by xone
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To: Biggirl
Plus the Holy Bible as well.

Make sure you get that in, despite the Catholic teachings that are in opposition to the very Word of God.

32 posted on 03/07/2014 8:57:12 AM PST by xone
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To: xone

Your opinion and your opinion only.


33 posted on 03/07/2014 8:58:29 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: marshmallow

We shall see. Send Off Sunday is coming, when bishops greet people who are planning to come into the Catholic Church via either baptism or by being fully recevied into the Church via RCIA/RCIC ministries of the parishes.


34 posted on 03/07/2014 9:18:33 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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However, the poll found no change in the number of people who self-identify as Catholic...

Maybe this has something to do with the fact that the Holy Father became the Pope on March 13, 2013, and the process of converting to Catholicism through the RCIA (Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults) program usually starts in September and ends on the Saturday before Easter Sunday, which is April 20th this year.

35 posted on 03/07/2014 9:33:00 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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Yes, and more often then that, for those who are coming into the Church via baptism, can often begin up to one year prior with the period of inquiry in the months leading up to the start of RCIA gatherings starting in September.


36 posted on 03/07/2014 9:42:07 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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Your opinion and your opinion only.

Really? Find me then, in scripture, in light of these passages (Luke 22:25, John 20:21, Matt. 28:19-20, Gal 1:8-9)that the following are required to be believed in order to attain salvation?

Mary gave the Redeemer, the Source of all graces, to the world, and in this way she is the channel of all graces

Mary, the Mother of God, is entitled to the Cult of Hyperdulia.

Christ gave His Church an hierarchical constitution.

The Pope possesses full and supreme power of jurisdiction over the whole Church, not merely in matters of faith and morals, but also in Church discipline and in the government of the Church.

The Pope is infallible when he speaks ex cathedra.

Membership of the (Catholic) Church is necessary for all men for salvation.

Christ becomes present in the Sacrament of the Altar by the transformation of the whole substance of the bread into His Body and the whole substance of the wine into His Blood.

The source of Indulgences is the Church's treasury of satisfaction which consists of superabundant satisfactions of Christ and of the Saints

Are they in the Gospel of John, which certifies in Chap 20 30-31 that which is necessary to have life in Jesus' name is contained in John's Gospel?

37 posted on 03/07/2014 9:42:26 AM PST by xone
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To: xone

Well why are you using the Bible as a basis of attack what is true?


38 posted on 03/07/2014 9:44:30 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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I am using the Bible to show that the dogma listed is in opposition to the Bible.

attack what is true

These things aren't true, yet they bind the hearts and conscience of Catholics who would be Christian and obscure the scriptural prescription of salvation of grace through faith, both of which are gifts from God. The listed 'requirements' are all man-made, they require belief for salvation, a papal gospel, that isn't in consonance with but opposed to the Gospel revealed in scripture. Another gospel as Paul warned the Galatians.

39 posted on 03/07/2014 10:08:30 AM PST by xone
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To: xone

It is still using the Bible to attack the Church. I do not attack your church community, so why atttack mine? Please end it now. Thank-you.


40 posted on 03/07/2014 10:21:00 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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I do not attack your church community

Portraying the Catholic church as the only true church in opposition to the scripture is attacking my church. Claiming the works of God as its own is attacking my faith.

so why atttack mine?

Principally because of these.

2 Timothy 4:1-22, 2 Cor 10:3-5, Titus 1:9, Phil 1:12-18, Jude 1:3

I understand it can be hard to hear, but I like any Christian I must obey God rather than man. Acts 5:29 The RF can be difficult, there are ecumenical and caucus threads for those that wish to discuss matters like these in a non-threatening atmosphere. Pliant silence will not do when souls are threatened by false doctrine.

41 posted on 03/07/2014 11:09:16 AM PST by xone
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Well I accept those passages also. They are part of the Bible.


42 posted on 03/07/2014 11:18:07 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

That’s good, but know you know the why?


43 posted on 03/07/2014 11:28:10 AM PST by xone
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To: xone

Because the Apostle St. Paul, inspired by the Holy Spirit wrote them.


44 posted on 03/07/2014 11:31:59 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

Yes he did, but now you know the answer to the ‘why’ you asked me. Paul wasn’t shy about the Gospel nor was he limited in his reproach to those who would try and change it. He was a great preacher.


45 posted on 03/07/2014 11:41:08 AM PST by xone
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To: xone

Still post 44 is correct.


46 posted on 03/07/2014 11:46:41 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: xone

So was Peter and John, who are both on the equal level with Paul as great preachers as well.


47 posted on 03/07/2014 11:47:57 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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So was Peter and John, who are both on the equal level with Paul as great preachers as well.

Different audiences, different tasks, different styles, the men the Lord used for His purposes.

48 posted on 03/07/2014 12:26:04 PM PST by xone
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To: Biggirl

The church was founded on Scripture, not the way Roman Catholic twist it around.


49 posted on 03/07/2014 12:30:49 PM PST by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock

One poster’s opinion. I will leave it at that.


50 posted on 03/07/2014 12:36:21 PM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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