Did the Bishops at the 1st Vatican Council, who voted on Papal Infallibility, possess infallibility?

3/31/2014 | Laissez-Faire Capitalist

[Jim from C-Town]

I think your point is to be argumentative, unnecessarily so. As it is a fact that there are certainly thousands of churches that are NOT the Latin Rite Catholic Church or even aligned with Rome. So how many ‘Christian’ churches are there? Show us your exactitude. Do you include the Mormons and their dozens of schisms. The Mormons certainly call themselves Christian.

My only point is that if you do not want to follow or believe in what the Roman Catholic Church teaches chose another church. There are certainly many to chose from. The exact number is irrelevant.

There is absolutely no backpedalling. Regardless if there are thousands or tens of thousands. There are certainly plenty of churches that claim to be ‘Christian’ Hell, if you don’t find one you like, start your own church. Luther did, Henry VII did, Joe Smith did, L. Ron Hubbard did.

[Gamecock]

What’s wrong with it?

Nothing.

What’s wrong with a priest being married, especially since God allows for this to be the case?

[Jim from C-Town]

Nothing.

There are married priests now. The Church has admitted many former Anglican priests that have sought to align with Rome many of them where married and continue to be married. The Church has allowed married priests in the past and may do so in the future.

The Church has never claimed that celibate Priests is a matter of Faith and Morals. No Pope has never spoken Ex Cathedra as to celibate priests.

[lupie]

However, I do not know who Jesus married or how many children he fathered.

WHAT????? Are you saying that Jesus was married and fathered children? That sure seems like that is what you are saying. I read it 4 times.

[Jim from C-Town]

No. I am saying the exact opposite. Jesus was not married. Jesus did not father children.

[Mad Dawg]

One of my Lay Dominican Homies is a Ukrainian Catholic. Every Lent he teases me because we give up the A-word and they don’t. And they have married priests, I believe.

[Alex Murphy]

There is absolutely no backpedalling. Regardless if there are thousands or tens of thousands. There are certainly plenty of churches that claim to be ‘Christian’ Hell, if you don’t find one you like, start your own church. Luther did, Henry VII did, Joe Smith did, L. Ron Hubbard did.

And 2,999 to 7,999 Catholics did, too, yet Catholics still claim to have only one church. That is, if we're supposed to believe your sources.

[Jim from C-Town]

They can call themselves anything they want. It doesn’t make it so.

[Vermont Lt]

No one wants to consider what the miracle of birth does to a woman. She might have been a virgin at conception. But let’s be real...there was some stretching done during the birthing process.

The whole lifelong virgin thing becomes moot when you’ve given birth.

[safeasthebanks]

Nice job on this thread. You have more patience than I would ever have. It's hard to understand what motivates these Catholic bashers, though I have heard that Catholic bashing is a common trait in homosexuals, which I think is who you may be dealing with here.

I just don't even respond to their posts.

[SoothingDave]

Ok. So you can buy that the infinite God becomes man and dwells among us, but you ball at the idea of an intact hymen?

And you do know that it is not the hymen that defines the virgin, right? It’s the lack of sex.

[CynicalBear]

>> That is why the guidance of the Holy Spirit through the Church is so important.<<

Acts 15:8 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness by granting them the holy Spirit just as he did us. 9 He made no distinction between us and them, for by faith he purified their hearts.

[SoothingDave]

You mean adultery? ;-)

[SoothingDave]

23 particular churches all united in one faith under one leader.

That is what “catholic” means.

What definition are you using?

[redleghunter]

It's hard to understand what motivates these Catholic bashers, though I have heard that Catholic bashing is a common trait in homosexuals, which I think is who you may be dealing with here.

Interesting logic. Sodomites bash Catholics, and since people here on this thread (according to you) bash Catholics, they must be sodomites. What brilliant logic./s

Using your "logic": The Pope and Roman Catholic Church oppose sodomite "marriage." The Westboro "Baptist" "Church" opposes sodomite marriage, therefore Fred Phelps must be the Roman Catholic Pope and Westboro must be the Catholic church.

[Alex Murphy]

They can call themselves anything they want. It doesn’t make it so.

What's your own point, then? Anyone can claim there are tens of thousands, or even just one single church, and it "doesn't make it so". Catholics claim both with such disparity even from hour to hour, that they demonstrate that it's impossible for Catholics to be "one" and yet have so many disparate beliefs over this single question. Tracking Catholic-provided numbers of "Christian denominations" is an exercise in hilarity.

[Alex Murphy]

23 particular churches all united in one faith under one leader. That is what “catholic” means. What definition are you using?

Doesn't matter what definition I was using. What matters is what definition the Catholic-quoted source used in claims of "35,000 Christian denominations", why matching claims of 3,000 and 8,000 are given for Catholics by the same source using the same definition, and the implications of those numbers when applied to Catholics.

[Mad Dawg]

LOL! Nah, you can say THAT during Lent ...

[quadrant]

How do you know that it is?
Its been many, many years since my freshman course in logic, but I seem the remember that the absence of knowledge that something does not exist does not mean that it does exist. Proof of existence requires positive affirmation. The burden of proof is on the one who asserts.
We know that God exists due to reason and revelation. Are you claiming a revelation that the Seat of Wisdom exists other than residing in the Trinity?
The only individual on whom God bestowed the blessing of wisdom superior to that of other humans was Solomon. Can you cite Scriptural evidence of another instance of such a Divine blessing?
The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence but neither is it evidence of existence.
I've learned the Wisdom God is very frequently difficult or impossible for humans to understand. And the absence of understanding is not understanding.
Does any Scriptural evidence exists that Mary was afflicted by any sort of illness, intractable or otherwise?

[Gamecock]

Did I say anything about the Pope speaking Ex Cathedra?

Not talking about Anglican priests sneaking in the back door either.

The average Papist even know that the average parish priest isn't going to get married because the church frowns upon doing so.