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Pay No Attention to That Man Behind the Curtain! Catholic History and the Emerald City Protocol
reformation21 ^ | April 2012 | Carl Trueman

Posted on 04/05/2014 5:57:23 AM PDT by Gamecock

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To: Religion Moderator
Posting links to prior threads is not allowed on the Religion Forum.

Just the RF??

101 posted on 04/05/2014 8:13:06 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Yes.


102 posted on 04/05/2014 8:14:31 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: MamaB

True. There are some VERY good Catholics here on FR.

I probably fit into the talking ass category better than most.


103 posted on 04/05/2014 8:15:13 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Jim Robinson; Utah Binger
Well; I'm not in public; but down in Mom's basement, by myself, wearing my tighty whities.



104 posted on 04/05/2014 8:22:01 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: LurkingSince'98
And yes Luther is a lightning rod of sorts - it always good to have the dead guys take the flack.

Do you have a plastic icon of one on your dashboard to watch over your driving?

105 posted on 04/05/2014 8:23:21 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

so basically you are saying that you, Elsie, cannot help anyone to achieve salvation.

Elsie..

your progenitors have had 25 - 30 generations from the time of Christ before you arrived on earth...

in the intervening 25 - 30 generations statistics dictate that your ancestors have included psychopaths, manic/depressives, schizophrenics, thieves, rapists, murderers, surely sinners of all stripes - statistically speaking of course.

having such a statistically degenerate background, it would certainly be impossible for you, Elsie to be capable of bringing any good into the world. You and your progeny would forever be incapable of helping anyone and could bring the faith to no one. You and you progeny are forever damned.

Stupid analogy you say, bad premise you say, big Red Herring you say, anti-Elsie you say!!!

Well not as stupid an analogy, not as bad a premise, not as big a Red Herring and not as anti-Catholic as that tripe your peddling about the Medici popes.

For the Greater Glory of God


106 posted on 04/05/2014 8:29:21 PM PDT by LurkingSince'98 (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam = FOR THE GREATER GLORY OF GOD)
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To: LurkingSince'98; Elsie

Goodness, all that hate and bashing just for posting some of the history of Catholicism?

My my...


107 posted on 04/05/2014 9:06:20 PM PDT by Syncro (Benghazi-LIES/CoverupIRS-LIES/CoverupDOJ-NO Justice--Etc Marxist Treason IMPEACH!)
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To: Elsie
...no, put that one on the roof of the car, with a wire dangling that will drag on the ground.

It will help protect the plastic Jesus (or Mary) on the dashboard from stray voltage. Wouldn't want those to suffer melt down , now would we?

108 posted on 04/05/2014 9:11:56 PM PDT by BlueDragon (You can observe a lot just by watching. Yogi Berra)
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To: Syncro

Hate?

Bashing?

But they are Elsie’s forebears, not mine.

Statistically speaking, of course.

AMDG


109 posted on 04/05/2014 9:21:54 PM PDT by LurkingSince'98 (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam = FOR THE GREATER GLORY OF GOD)
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To: BlueDragon

“It will help protect the plastic Jesus (or Mary)”

You know - you are speaking about the Christ and His Mother.

Are you always so flip when referencing them?

Are the a big joke?

AMDG


110 posted on 04/05/2014 9:27:28 PM PDT by LurkingSince'98 (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam = FOR THE GREATER GLORY OF GOD)
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To: LurkingSince'98

Hate?

Bashing?

But they are Elsie’s forebears, not mine.

Projection from your fantasizing. Otherwise it's amazing the personal things you purport to know about another poster.

But even if your collected all of that from your family tree, it's the past leaders and their antics that are truly shameful:


Pope Stephen VI (896–897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.[1]

Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife.

Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who "sold" the Papacy

Pope Boniface VIII (1294–1303), who is lampooned in Dante's Divine Comedy

Pope Urban VI (1378–1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured.[2]

Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503), a Borgia, who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.[3]

Pope Leo X (1513–1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors' reserves on a single ceremony[4]

Pope Clement VII (1523–1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bad_Popes
Know your belief system's history.

BTW, all documented by Catholics and historians at the times of the occurrences.

To you tripe, yet you seem to think that plastic figures are the same as your Eucharist, the actual Deity and Mary the mother of Jesus.

They are just plastic figures with no power or soul.

111 posted on 04/05/2014 9:43:17 PM PDT by Syncro (Benghazi-LIES/CoverupIRS-LIES/CoverupDOJ-NO Justice--Etc Marxist Treason IMPEACH!)
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To: LurkingSince'98
He was talking about protecting the deified icons by putting an icon (asked if was on your dashboard--popeye who knows?) on a wire to PROTECT the plastic icons.

Clear now?

112 posted on 04/05/2014 10:01:07 PM PDT by Syncro (Benghazi-LIES/CoverupIRS-LIES/CoverupDOJ-NO Justice--Etc Marxist Treason IMPEACH!)
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To: Syncro

“They are just plastic figures with no power or soul.”

Right so if I had a picture of your mother and father it would be OK for me to spit on it because after all it is just a picture of them ‘with no power or soul’.

OK by me then.

AMDG


113 posted on 04/05/2014 10:02:52 PM PDT by LurkingSince'98 (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam = FOR THE GREATER GLORY OF GOD)
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To: LurkingSince'98
The plastic figurines I spoke of are plastic figurines.

What? You weren't happy enough with the Luther figurine being the one which would take the lightening bolts? I thought you'd like that part.

114 posted on 04/05/2014 10:04:50 PM PDT by BlueDragon (You can observe a lot just by watching. Yogi Berra)
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To: LurkingSince'98
I'll take that as a "not clear"...

Gotta chuckle at those of your belief system saying what horrible posts protestants post.

Not even close to your last post.

Primitive peoples believe that when their picture is taken their soul is captured. (<______factoid)

115 posted on 04/05/2014 10:09:16 PM PDT by Syncro (Benghazi-LIES/CoverupIRS-LIES/CoverupDOJ-NO Justice--Etc Marxist Treason IMPEACH!)
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To: Syncro

It's not "bashing" when holy warriors do it. They may get time off from Purgatory?

The trouble is all the strident effort to pay the rent (to all those it is not cared what they say or think) is it is being tendered in "notes" not recognizable as "legal for all debts public and private".

Red herrings, non-sequiturs, question begging, table pounding, all the "my [unsubstantiated] opinion is better than your [inconvenient to my argument] facts" are not exactly coin of the realm, but are more as forceful attempt to impose contract of agreement to assume past debt for all the free living-in-their-heads, rather than being cognizant argument which can convince (since it fails to "make a point", either rhetorically, or coin-shavingly, bankster derivative trader-wise) -- while the "free living" is claimed to go the other way.

Forms of reverse IOU (the YOU-OWE-ME) thingy, just are not cutting it. Maybe Faux-cahontas (she of the high cheekbones) will save us from these high pressure tactics engaged in selling this sort of [ahem] financial service?

And we *thought* loan sharking was bad...at least in that action a guy gets a little cash up-front, instead of have to right at first-- pay all, all the time ---with interest, to all the self-starter, contract carrying (you signed the contract you just don't remember signing it) debt-collector wannabe's who like to claim it's "all for the glory" of God.

Money talks, but what is it again that "walks"?

... And they say I can't get in, that I never will, no way Jose' (Jesus loves them, but he can't stand me?) unless I pay-pay-pay installments on what "they" say you and I already have signed? They say they hold exclusive distribution on Jesus Himself. His entire body.

You may now kiss the ring. Sounds like something Jesus would say?

I owe most these FRomans (with a few exceptions) nothing much, and I'll continue to live as free as God has told me directly that I am.

Two days in a row (years ago) as simple, plain, sort-of emotionally flat or neutral in 'tone', I heard the Spirit speaking small and quiet (but unmistakable -- that's Him(!)) say to me directly, quote-unquote "you are free".

I wondered at that...for I didn't "feel" so entirely free, but rather instead, stuck in rut of the mundane.

Yet one thing I've noticed about Him -- He is right, and always tells the truth (whether some things I want to hear or not) for when He speaks, His words do not pass away, leaving each of what He has said (in whichever form, written, or by the Spirit) be things one can chew on all their life.

I get the impression there are those would like to take that away from me. To better suit their own faith religion.

Sorry Charlie, I really would like to tell them (with a smirk). Bad tuna, no donut. Go write/sell the wolf tickets to somebody else. I'll just keep on living free.

116 posted on 04/05/2014 10:21:17 PM PDT by BlueDragon (You can observe a lot just by watching. Yogi Berra)
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To: BlueDragon
Very well put, you have a way with words... My "2 days" (years ago also) was about a week immersed in the Gospel of John and when I emerged I was indeed free and remain so:
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.--John 8:36

Paid in full, stamped so by The Son of God.

117 posted on 04/05/2014 10:32:25 PM PDT by Syncro (Benghazi-LIES/CoverupIRS-LIES/CoverupDOJ-NO Justice--Etc Marxist Treason IMPEACH!)
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To: Syncro
Thank you for that. It comes to me now, that what you just shared was more His intended meaning than anything else.

If one prophesy, let another judge.

Not being able to (or wanting to) face judgement, I'd prefer mercy.

Of course the trouble with me as is typical enough among we humans, is that I forget that what's good enough for me, is good enough to share or extend towards others -- and forgive sins and trespass I perceive committed against myself.

It's part of the deal.

118 posted on 04/05/2014 10:57:55 PM PDT by BlueDragon (You can observe a lot just by watching. Yogi Berra)
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To: LurkingSince'98
so basically you are saying that you, Elsie, cannot help anyone to achieve salvation.

Do you HAVE to say this in EVERY thread?

And then prattle on about something totally unrelated?

119 posted on 04/06/2014 1:19:40 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: LurkingSince'98
so basically you are saying that you, Elsie, cannot help anyone to achieve salvation.

Of COURSE I can't!

Your chosen religious organization says that 'salvation' is found ONLY in it!


You're really taking the news hard that there are 7,000 others that have not bowed the knee to Baal.

120 posted on 04/06/2014 1:23:17 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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