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Posted on 04/05/2014 5:57:23 AM PDT by Gamecock
Which is selectively done, as such things as the IC lack unanimous consent of the fathers, and the Assumption lacks weight of early testimony , and in other things Rome differs with the EOs on what Tradition teaches, even as in the case of universal papal jurisdiction and papal infallibility, among other things.
The reading that since the fullness of grace preceded the arrival of the angel...
That this grace was perpetual sinlessness is presumed, versus that grace being that this evidently holy Spirit-filled soul had "found grace with God" as the text states, (Lk. 1:30) in being chosen to be the God-bearer.
God has the power to raise any kind of Mary He wants for His own mother, and probably would not want a sinner in that role
One could argue that God would not want the instruments out of whom flowed God-breathed Scripture to be sinners either, or Mary's parents, etc.
But doctrine is not based on what God may or could have done, or silence, but what the evidence testifies He did do. Lacking that, all that is warranted is speculation. Notable exceptions to the norm (excess fingers, long age, celibacy, absence of parents, sinlessness, etc) are characteristically provided in Scripture, even of lesser characters, and the sinlessness of Christ is stated at least thrice. Marian lifelong sinlessness and virginity are not, but are read into the text based upon the fallacious idea of necessity, or possibility.
In contrast to all that attributed to her, the mention of Mary is relatively marginal in Scripture, while the Holy Spirit gives far more description of Paul's sacrificial labor of love in birthing spiritual children and churches, and working toward their maturity. And the Holy Spirit never manifestly attributes sin to him after his conversion, but to say that he was sinless would be presumptuous.
The Church does not do what the Protestants do, read the scripture and in it find the doctrine.
That is rare admission, as too many RCs try to argue as if they were evangelicals in trying to wrest support for Rome's traditions as if their veracity rested upon the weight of Scriptural warrant.
But by making her amorphous oral tradition equal with Scripture, selectively channeling ancient stories into binding doctrines, then Catholicism (sometimes in conflict), has perpetuated mere traditions that developed over time.
The oral "traditions" Paul wrote of were not that of ancient tales, but known contemporary preaching which we rightfully can expect were subsequently written, as is seen elsewhere with revelation called "the word of God/the Lord."
Details hitherto unknown as recorded could be revealed (cf. 2Tim. 3:8) but which we know by Scripture, which is the assured word of God and supreme standard for testing and establishing Truth claims. Making the church autocratically supreme is contrary to its basis of establishment, that of Scriptural substantiation in word and in power, and making her oral tradition as equal with Scripture is essentially adding to the canon.
No Bible, since the Bible became available as a single book, was printed without the Deuterocanon. Deuterocanon is not "apocrypha"; let's not switch topics. Aquinas uses a deuterocanonical book (Sirach 15:14), for example, to show that the Holy Scripture teaches free will: Article 1. Whether man has free-will?. So, no, I am not "just making assertions". That one can find much said also against the Deuterocanon no one has disputed.
"full conversion occurs before death" certainly does not appear to be part of that catechism of yours
Is speaks of an effective conversion prompted by good works does it not? Dead people don't do works.
Naturally since this is a gospel that he writes. However he does say that once one believes he is automatically saved. Faith is what we do.
It does liken the faithful to Mary, because to "keep the word" is a double meaning since Christ is the Word, and Mary indeed kept the Word in her womb. Surely Jesus is not pointing to any defect of Mary since we know of none. Therefore Jesus says in effect: as you admire Mary as my physiological mother, so admire my disciples who keep my teachings also.
Secondly, we have already seen the reason for the contrasting word μενουνγε: it contrasts veneration for the physiological proximity to Christ with spiritual proximity. But the woman in the crowd is not stopped by Jesus; rather, her veneration is deepened and redirected by Jesus' remark.
LOL. I am running off to work now. Lord willing and the creek don’t rise, I will get back to this. Short version: Wow. I haven’t seen gymnastics like this since Nadia whats-her-name. Catch ya later ...
And it is the very system that boasts, "you believe in faith alone; we believe in faith and works" that comes in about last in commitment and unity in basic moral beliefs, due to a lack of that regeneration and relationship with the Lord, with Scripture being the supreme authority as the wholly inspired Word of God.
Wonderful. So next time someone thinks he defeated the Catholic doctrine by "'purgatory' is not in the scripture" or "where is praying to saints in the scripture" or "where is the word 'catholic' in the scripture" you will be with me explaining such primitive and legalistic approach to be without merit?
Next question: does "the Paraclete, the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring all things to your mind, whatsoever I shall have said to you. (John 14:26) say that the Church will continue to be inspired by the Holy Ghost to the extent that whatever is on the mind of the Church is as good as if Christ is saying it? Or is it the case where a Protestant must reach somewhere in the "traditions" of Luther and the rest of the charlatans to avoid taking this scripture as written?
a faith that effects the "obedience of faith,"
Great again; as I like to point out, "faith is what we do". So again, when someone tells me that "baptism does not save because to baptize is to work", or that "good works do not save because it is like purchasing salvation" you will see through the cheap illusion that these "objections" construct?
I heard that somebody else heard that the RM thought we were in a flame-war. And since it’s double-hearsay, it must be twice as true as normal true things, right?!
The Church operates through the people of the Church. In the eunuch story that was Philip.
I don't see an example of Christian faith in you, sorry.
There is a difference between where Christ is from and whom He saves. That He mingled with sinners is very true; but His sinless mother indicated that He Himself is from where there is no sin.
Catholicism decides what is doctrine
As simple as that. True.
LOL. Where you get your ideas from? Grace is presence of God, regardless of who is or is not around it. For example, before the Fall Adam and Eve were in grace.
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HMMMmmm that ol' Matthew includes a HOOKER and an ADULTERER in the lineage!!
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'presumption and assumption are closely related.
I've experienced what it is to assume....
There ya go.
There are NO saints in Heaven; helping Jesus.
Jesus is
He needs no assistance from Dead people.
Thanks; RCC; for giving me a BIBLE with THIS in it!!
5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”
6 The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”
12 The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. 13 When they finished, James spoke up. “Brothers,” he said, “listen to me. 14 Simon[a] has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles. 15 The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:
16 “‘After this I will return
and rebuild David’s fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
and I will restore it,
17 that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
even all the Gentiles who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things’[b]—
18 things known from long ago.[c]
19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”
The apostles and elders, your brothers,
To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:
Greetings.
24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.
Farewell.
30 So the men were sent off and went down to Antioch, where they gathered the church together and delivered the letter. 31 The people read it and were glad for its encouraging message. 32 Judas and Silas, who themselves were prophets, said much to encourage and strengthen the believers. 33 After spending some time there, they were sent off by the believers with the blessing of peace to return to those who had sent them. [34] [d] 35 But Paul and Barnabas remained in Antioch, where they and many others taught and preached the word of the Lord.
I hear ya; Brother!
And yet...
Pope Stephen VI (896–897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.[1]
Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife.
Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who "sold" the Papacy
Pope Boniface VIII (1294–1303), who is lampooned in Dante's Divine Comedy
Pope Urban VI (1378–1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured.[2]
Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503), a Borgia, who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.[3]
Pope Leo X (1513–1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors' reserves on a single ceremony[4]
Pope Clement VII (1523–1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked.
http://www.novusordowatch.org/wire/the-bad-popes-argument.htm
I've been told, by a Catholic, to ignore the following...
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There you go yet again: presuming FACTS no in evidence.
The sentence above was written by a poor example of Christian faith.
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