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Are You a Dispensationalist? (Ecumenical)
Personal Update News Journal ^ | March, 2011 | Leisa Garcia

Posted on 04/06/2014 12:12:06 PM PDT by wmfights

It is possible that you are a dispensationalist and don’t know it. If you’re like me, I’ve been taught the essentials of dispensationalism all my life without knowing exactly what the term itself meant. Hopefully, by the end of this discussion you will have a better understanding of dispensationalism, and you may be able to determine if you are a dispensationalist.

What is a Dispensation?

The central idea of the word dispensation is that of managing or administering the affairs of a household.1 A dispensation is NOT a time period. If things stayed the same and never changed, it would never have been associated with a time period. However, since throughout time, circumstances have changed, and therefore, God’s instructions have changed, so then a particular dispensation becomes associated with a particular period of time.

The number of dispensations and how they are divided up varies, but a common division is as follows:

1. The dispensation of Innocence. A dispensation that was in effect from the creation to the Fall.

2. The dispensation of Conscience. A dispensation that was in effect from the Fall until Noah.

3. The dispensation of Civil Government. A dispensation that was in effect from Noah until Abraham.

4. The dispensation of Promise or Patriarchal Rule. A dispensation that was in effect from Abraham until the giving of the Law.

5. The dispensation of the Mosaic Law. A dispensation that was in effect from the giving of the Law until the 1st Coming of Christ.

6. The dispensation of Grace. A dispensation that was in effect from the 1st Coming of Christ to the 2nd Coming of Christ.

7. The dispensation of the Millennium. A dispensation that will be in effect from the 2nd Coming of Christ until the beginning of the Eternal Order at the end of the 1,000 years.

Some dispensations can be divided up into smaller dispensations, and they can be given different names. However, one thing is clear, there are dispensations and they are governed by different over-arching themes.

There is also the matter of “carryovers” during the transition from one dispensation to another. Each dispensation commonly includes:

• Certain ordinances that were valid and continue to be valid in the new dispensation. A good example is the command to not eat blood, first given to Noah (Genesis 9:4), then to Moses (Leviticus 3:17) and was even carried over into the so-called dispensation of Grace at the Council of Jerusalem (Acts 15:29).

• Other regulations that were valid until then are annulled and do not continue into the new dispensation. An example of this is the freedom to eat any meat, which is actually a reversal back to a previous dispensation where God commanded Noah to eat “every moving thing that liveth” (Genesis 9:3).

• New principles not valid before are introduced in the new dispensation. The Mosaic Law is a dramatic illustration of this. A large portion of the Law introduced new principles.

• Promises given in one dispensation are carried over and fulfilled in another dispensation. Many of the promises to the nation of Israel, to Abraham and to David are yet to be fulfilled, but will be fulfilled during the Millennium.

• Some things instituted in one dispensation may be elaborated or modified in a later dispensation. An excellent example of this is the Sermon on the Mount, where Jesus takes the written laws one step further—not only is it wrong to murder, but if you hate, you have already committed murder in your heart.

In summary: “Dispensationalism views the world as a household run by God. In His household-world, God is dispensing or administering its affairs according to His own will and in various stages of revelation in the passage of time. These various stages mark off the distinguishably different economies in the outworking of His total purpose, and these different economies constitute the dispensation. The under-standing of God’s differing economies is essential to a proper interpretation of His revelation within those various economies.”2

The Sine Qua Non of Normative/Classical Dispensationalism

According to Dr. Charles Ryrie, there are three Sine Qua Non aspects of dispensationalism—which means they are aspects that are absolutely indispensable or essential to dispensationalism. These are characteristics of what is considered Normative or Classical Dispensationalism.

1. The consistent literal or plain interpretation of Scripture based on the plenary (inerrant) inspiration of the Scriptures using a Historical-Grammatical method of interpretation. The term “literal” is sometimes ironically taken too literally and then made fun of—you don’t really believe God has feathers do you? (Psalm 91:4 ). A better term would be understanding Scripture in the plain or normal meaning as opposed to allegorizing it. This is taking God’s word at face value—God says what He means, and means what He says!

A literal interpretation of Scripture isn’t solely the domain of dispensationalism, others non-dispensationalist including Covenant Theologians take a large amount of the Scripture literally or plainly, but it is the consistent use of a literal hermeneutic that defines dispensationalism. Not just for historical and doctrinal passages, but for prophetic passages as well. Covenant Theologians allegorize most of prophetic scripture and the promises of the unconditional covenants, especially if it relates to the nation of Israel.

2. The distinctness of Israel and the Church (the Ekklesia of Christ) grows out of a consistent, literal hermeneutic. The church is a separate entity (separate from the nation of Israel) and is made up of Jewish and Gentile believers only. God has separate purposes, and separate destinies for Israel and the Church. A consistent literal or plain understanding of Scripture makes these distinctions.

3. The underlying purpose of God in the world—the glory of God. Although salvation is a primary theme of God’s purpose in the world which brings glory to Him, it isn’t the sole purpose of God in the world. It is only one of many.

In summary: “The essence of dispensationalism, then, is the distinction between Israel and the church. This grows out of the dispensationalist’s consistent employment of normal or plain or historical-grammatical interpretation, and it reflects an understanding of the basic purpose of God in all His dealings with mankind as that of glorifying Himself through salvation and other purposes as well.”3

Additional Defining Characteristics

Another defining characteristic of dispensationalism is the literal fulfillment of the promises of the Old Testament covenants.

Taking these at face value using a literal interpretation leads naturally to the literal fulfillment of the promises given in these covenants. Many of the promises included in these covenants are yet to be fulfilled and are part of Eschatology—end time prophecy that has not occurred as yet.

The 1,000-year reign of Christ in the Millennium will be the fulfillment of the Davidic Covenant. Everything that God promised to Abraham, to David and to Israel through the prophets will be fulfilled during the Millennial period.

Taking prophecy at face value leads naturally to a literal 1,000-year period where the Messiah will come to earth, set up His Kingdom and rule with a rod of iron from the throne of David. This is Premillennialism.

The Pre-tribulation Rapture is part of the normative dispensational eschatology, although it isn’t essential to being a dispensationalist. It is derived from a literal interpretation of Scripture and is based on the distinction between Israel and the Church and the teaching regarding the imminency of the return of the Lord.

Dispensationalist Checklist

Are you a dispensationalist? If you completely agree with the first item on the checklist below, you are a dispensationalist, because everything that follows flows naturally from a con-sistent, literal, plain and normal interpretation of Scripture.

I agree with the three Sine Qua Non of Normative/Classical Dispensationalism:

__ I use a consistent, literal, face-value method of interpretation and understanding the entire Word of God, including prophecy. In other words—“God says what He means, and means what He says,” so I can take what He says at face value.

__ I believe there is a distinction between the Nation of Israel and the Church (The Ekklesia of Christ).

__ I believe the underlying purpose of everything is for the Glory of God.

I also agree with most or all of the following:

__ The Premillennial view of the 2nd Coming of Christ, which inaugurates the thousand-year literal reign of the Messiah (Jesus Christ) with a rod of iron on the throne of David.

__ The literal fulfillment of prophecy including eschatology (the fulfillment of prophecies in the end times).

__ The literal fulfillment of the promises in the covenants to the Nation of Israel.

__ The Pre-trib Rapture of the Body of Christ.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: dispensationalism
I agree with the three Sine Qua Non of Normative/Classical Dispensationalism:

__ I use a consistent, literal, face-value method of interpretation and understanding the entire Word of God, including prophecy. In other words—“God says what He means, and means what He says,” so I can take what He says at face value.

__ I believe there is a distinction between the Nation of Israel and the Church (The Ekklesia of Christ).

__ I believe the underlying purpose of everything is for the Glory of God.

1 posted on 04/06/2014 12:12:06 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: wmfights
I would like to put together a Dispensationalist ping list. If you are a dispensationalist and would like to be on the list please mail me.

If a list already exists please let me know and I will ping those freepers in the future.

2 posted on 04/06/2014 12:14:50 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: wmfights
I was with you up to the last line about the pretrib B.S. the corporate church of America came up with in the last 100 years. The body of believers in Christ are being killed and there homes and church's are being burned down right now. If you were being murdered and burned out you would believe the trib is here and now. But instead in your warm comfortable world you get to fly away with no skin in the game. This is a lie of Satan himself to keep you looking in the wrong direction. The test comes soon and I wonder how many will stand or roll over and give in.
3 posted on 04/06/2014 12:52:15 PM PDT by lostboy61 (Lock and Load and stand your ground!)
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To: wmfights

Much like the author, I was a dispensationalist and never knew it - although I detest all labels as the enemy uses them to divide Christians. I don’t see how its possible to rightly divide the Word without knowing the proper dispensation. Much religious error in the time of Paul was the result of attempting to apply what was/is meant for Israel to the Church, the Body of Christ. That continues to this day.

My understanding of the subject was greatly aided by numerous writers, but Clarence Larkin, and E W Bullinger, the latter especially, challenged me in this area and shattered much of the religious traditions/nonsense I had learned growing up and religious classes in college.

Please add me to the ping list since this is an area of interest for me. Thanks!


4 posted on 04/06/2014 1:17:01 PM PDT by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")
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To: wmfights

I think Dispensationalism is an interesting way to consider things but I am not sure one should consider that He changes during the relationship. I have learned, rather that it is just a helpful way or “perspective” to consider the history. Theme is a good word to cover it.


5 posted on 04/06/2014 1:31:19 PM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: moder_ator

I believe I’ve made a mistake and the thread should be labeled ecumenical. Please change it.


6 posted on 04/06/2014 1:48:41 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: Kandy Atz
Thanks for the input. I'll try to find articles to post from Clarence Larkin and E W Bullinger. I think some tough theological discussions would be good.

In my own experience I was in agreement with the Reformed on most things, but when we got into eschatology and Israel I found I waas of the Dispensational view.

7 posted on 04/06/2014 1:55:49 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: lostboy61

I lean pre-trib, but I’ve often wondered what Christians thought during WW2 holocaust


8 posted on 04/06/2014 2:36:18 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: wmfights

Please include me on your ping list.


9 posted on 04/06/2014 2:40:09 PM PDT by Mrs.Z
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To: Mrs.Z

Done!


10 posted on 04/06/2014 3:30:07 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: knarf
I lean pre-trib, but I’ve often wondered what Christians thought during WW2 holocaust

If they read and believed the bible, they would have known they were not going thru the Tribulation...They did however go thru tribulations and perilous times...

11 posted on 04/06/2014 3:48:08 PM PDT by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: wmfights

Add me too...


12 posted on 04/06/2014 3:48:40 PM PDT by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: wmfights

There is no way to understand scripture or prophesy without understanding the different dispensations. We see the errors here all the time.


13 posted on 04/06/2014 3:50:34 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: Iscool

Done!


14 posted on 04/06/2014 5:02:13 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: CynicalBear
There is no way to understand scripture or prophesy without understanding the different dispensations.

I couldn't agree more.

What really changed my thinking was focusing on the question of whether God is done with Israel, or not. After the Cross did those that believe The Gospel replace Israel, or does God still have a plan for Israel.

15 posted on 04/06/2014 5:10:16 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: wmfights
What really changed my thinking was focusing on the question of whether God is done with Israel, or not. After the Cross did those that believe The Gospel replace Israel, or does God still have a plan for Israel.

From my understanding, Israel didn't really exist as a nation at the time of the Gospels. Israel however became a nation again in 1948 as foretold in the bible in the Ot. So God had a plan for Israel and he surely does when he comes back. That is favorite place.

16 posted on 04/06/2014 5:33:15 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: wmfights

There is a very good article on Dispensations and Ages in ‘The Omega Letter’ website.


17 posted on 04/06/2014 5:43:09 PM PDT by Ramonne
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To: wmfights
>>After the Cross did those that believe The Gospel replace Israel, or does God still have a plan for Israel.<<

There are still seven more years left for Israel from the time prophesied for them. Once people understand that, prophesy becomes more clear. That plus understanding the Jewish wedding custom helps also. The seven days the couple is sequestered away compares to the time we, the bride of Christ, are with Him in heaven during the seven year tribulation.

18 posted on 04/06/2014 5:44:58 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: knarf
I lean pre-trib, but I’ve often wondered what Christians thought during WW2 holocaust

Somewhere along about Isaiah 8, I think it speaks of this, although it is a little cloudy. They were apparently part of the 10 tribes that were granted temporary sanctuary in other countries after they fled Israel. God has a long memory.

19 posted on 04/06/2014 6:23:26 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: knarf
I lean pre-trib, but I’ve often wondered what Christians thought during WW2 holocaust

Most weren't aware of the full extent of the Holocaust until after the war.

20 posted on 04/06/2014 6:24:24 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: knarf

http://archive.adl.org/braun/dim_14_1_role_church.html#.U0H_MHSwUy0

...From the beginning of Hitler’s regime, the ecumenical Christian movement (its central offices were located in Geneva, London and New York) strongly condemned developments in Nazi Germany that threatened the independence of Christian Churches and the safety of Jews...

...In a 1983 speech delivered at Hebrew Union College in Cincinnati, Gerhardt Riegner, the director of the World Jewish Congress in Geneva during the war (and a man who had participated in efforts to rescue Jews from the Nazis), said that, during the Holocaust, “the human understanding, friendship, and the helping hand” of his Protestant ecumenical colleagues “were the only signs of light in the darkness that surrounded us.”

These aspects of the Christian Churches’ opposition to the Third Reich did not, of course, impede the workings of the Holocaust, or even lead to the rescue of significant numbers of endangered Jews...


21 posted on 04/06/2014 6:34:23 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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