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To: vladimir998

There is something seriously wrong with the Catholic mindset. I am not sure if it like a mental defect, or an intentional departure from reality. They speak one thing, then claim another. They talk of “faith”, but they mean acting out certain behaviors like saying so many paternosters or hail marys. When confronted, they retreat to a world of their own making, lost in the darkness of religiosity, but without any of the truth explained “clearly” in Scripture. They cannot listen to Paul, but they can listen to a string of popes, many of whom killed to get their positions.

Those of us here who cling to Jesus Christ alone, not some apparition of mary or some bone of peter, or some swinging smoke can, call to all of those who might listen. Come out from the whore of Babylon, come out into the light of Christ, alone. If you are being drawn to Him, if you have been given to Him by the Father, then you will hear His voice and leave that monstrosity of dark theological error and cling to Him. You will be clothed in His righteousness, not a righteousness of your own making. You have no hope, unless He rescues you. And, you will be rescued, if He decides to rescue you. That is the biblical Gospel, not Rome’s sick version. But, otherwise, God has excluded you as He excluded Esau.


41 posted on 04/13/2014 8:09:26 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

“There is something seriously wrong with the Catholic mindset.”

No, there’s just something wrong with the mindset of Protestant anti-Catholic bigots. That bigotry seems to retard the bigot’s ability to reason, to think, to comprehend. Does it also provide the bigot with a justification for making things up that no one actually said, to lie in other words? It sure seems to.

“I am not sure if it like a mental defect, or an intentional departure from reality. They speak one thing, then claim another.”

I don’t. I just make the proper and necessary distinctions and refuse to stand idly by while a Protestant anti-Catholic bigot insists I said something in words I never used, or that I expressed an idea I never expressed.

“They talk of “faith”, but they mean acting out certain behaviors like saying so many paternosters or hail marys.”

I don’t know what you mean, because, not surprisingly you’re not providing context at all. Catholics and Protestants often use the same words differently. A Catholic would expect someone of faith to act on it since that is exactly what scripture tells us. There’s a reason why St. Paul used the phrase “obedience of faith”. Protestants, however, having forced a wedge between faith and works (meaning our cooperation with those works God begins in us and shares with us) cannot see what scripture actually says. This has been somewhat corrected with the inevitable “New Perspective on Paul” but there is a long way to go before Protestants will know the actual gospel rather than their “faith alone” caricature of it.

“When confronted, they retreat to a world of their own making,”

No retreat whatsoever - but the Christian world is undoubtedly not of a Protestant making since it was up to Christ and His Church to make it and Protestants are at least partially estranged from both.

“lost in the darkness of religiosity,”

It is amazing to me how someone who insisted I was judging people of my own faith can write something like that about people of another faith and apparently not see the blatant hypocrisy that statement exhibits. Bigotry. Nothing more. Nothing less.

“but without any of the truth explained “clearly” in Scripture. They cannot listen to Paul, but they can listen to a string of popes, many of whom killed to get their positions.”

Again, the hypocrisy. I had not even seen the above comment until I had already mentioned St. Paul’s use of the phrase “obedience of faith” and yet, here I am, and every other Catholic too, accused of not even being able to listen to St. Paul. Perhaps among any other people in the world the very hubris of such a statement might give a person among that people pause - but not among Protestant anti-Catholic bigots. No, not among them. In their twilight world of bigotry there apparently is little or no circumspection or reflection.

“Those of us here who cling to Jesus Christ alone, not some apparition of mary or some bone of peter, or some swinging smoke can, call to all of those who might listen.”

Notice the bigotry? First, it is denied that we “cling to Jesus Christ alone”. Second we are said to replace Him with Marian apparitions, relics of saints, and incense. Let’s put this to the test. Does a believer who clings to Jesus alone believe in scripture? Then isn’t that Jesus plus the Bible? Does the believe in question pray? Isn’t that Jesus plus prayer? Does the believer go to church, or tithe, or feed the hungry? Plus, plus, plus. Now, in reality we all know that what we should want is every gift Christ can give us. Every single one - for they are all for our benefit and His glory. So, if He allows His mother to appear to men to tell them to honor her Son, pray, love their neighbor, etc. why would I have a problem with that? Relics were used to heal people - through the power of Christ. Even Peter’s shadow healed men - through the power of Christ. Why would I have a problem with that gift from Christ? And incense? Incense was used in Jesus’ day to worship the Father. Now we use it to worship Christ too. Think about it. When is incense most used in the Mass? It is used at the altar before the Eucharist, and at the ambo before the gospel is read. It’s about Jesus. I see no reason to reject that typological reminder in our liturgical worship. It’s a gift from Christ.

“Come out from the whore of Babylon, come out into the light of Christ, alone.”

I did. That’s why I am not a Protestant.

“If you are being drawn to Him, if you have been given to Him by the Father, then you will hear His voice and leave that monstrosity of dark theological error and cling to Him.”

Again, I did, that is why I am not a Protestant.

“You will be clothed in His righteousness, not a righteousness of your own making.”

Oh? And who here claims we have a “righteousness of [our] own making”? That’s yet another example of something being completely made up that no one here ever expressed.

“You have no hope, unless He rescues you.”

He already did. That is why I am not a Protestant.

“And, you will be rescued, if He decides to rescue you.”

He did decide. That is why I am not a Protestant.

“That is the biblical Gospel, not Rome’s sick version.”

The sickness poured out of Geneva and Wittenberg and Zurich and London/Canterbury. Protestants do not know the true gospel. They only have a caricature of it.

“But, otherwise, God has excluded you as He excluded Esau.”

He has not excluded us. That is why we are not Protestants.


42 posted on 04/13/2014 9:12:51 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Dutchboy88

So when did you escape from the mental hospital?


64 posted on 04/14/2014 5:25:35 PM PDT by Rome2000
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