Posted on 04/25/2014 8:17:25 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
If Pope Francis really said that, then as to whether the Church is governed by a manifest heretic, all bets would be off.
Would Fr Lombardi please clarify at least that the Pope definitely didn't say that?
Someone left a comment on my blog saying it is 'impossible that he said that'.
It's not impossible. Before he became Pope, remember that Francis was a Cardinal, before that a Bishop, so, in fact, anything's possible.
A Norbertine brother once said to me that every major crisis in the Church has been about the Real Presence. And the crisis of the Church is a crisis of Bishops.
Indeed, the first crisis among Christ and the Apostles (though it was not a crisis for Jesus) was in the immediate wake of the Eucharistic discourse. Many disciples left Jesus after that and it was left to Peter (first Il Papa) to speak up on the Apostles behalf, saying, 'Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the message of eternal life.' That's kind of like what giving religious assent to the incredible is.
If this Pope doesn't believe that the Eucharist is the Body, Blood, Soul, Humanity and Divinity of Our Lord, then that wouldn't just explain things a little. That would explain everything.
If he didn't believe that doctrine, or openly opposed it, that would pose serious problems for Catholics across the World, because that would make the Pope outside of Communion with the Divine Head of the Church, Jesus Christ. The implications are terrifying.
The Vatican must, at least, confirm that the Pope did not say that because if Pope Francis did say that, the Pope shouldn't be receiving Holy Communion.
Jesus' listeners knew exactly what he was talking about. He was telling them to do something that seemed to their ears so depraved it's beyond expressing: eat the body and drink the blood of a man. Anyone who says that isn't profoundly shocking,doesn't get the point. Why do you think they left him?
Why do you think he didn't call them back? "Stop! It's a metaphor --- a metaphor, you meatheads!"
It's THEIR fleshiness, their "meatheadedness," that avails nothing. His Flesh avails everything.
It's amazing how, in one line, you have Him invalidate His own words in the whole preceding Chapter Six.
It's like He gave this whole stunning, crisis-fraught, eloquent Eucharistic exposition, and then ends it with, "... but seriously, haha, c'mon guys, not really."
Amen.
That's why all the Christians who ever lived are still walking around on this earth, and draining our Social Security System, right? Aha! YOOOOOOoooouuuu!
Why do you keep saying this, when you know, yourself, that it's not true?
Excellent article; thanks.
Yes! Also we need to be reminded what the word Amen really means we forget because we say it too often without understanding it not only to end a prayer only. Amen equals “ So Be It. “ So Chrst is declaring without a doubt it is real in IMHO.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
It's an unbloody sacrifice. But that's been obscured by the New Mass, so I can understand your confusion.
Alleluia x40. For Easter!
“They crucify Him every mass, trampling underfoot the blood of Christ.”
The new and improved metmom “blood libel” of Catholics....
Yes, this is the tragedy of the "ceremonial execution".
I see the Catholic bashing starting up again.
Romans 8 is no more figurative than John 6:53, unless one considers the Spirit to be a metaphorical construct.
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Well, if you mean "'You're' not looking at Scripture very well." I understand your claim. I don't agree with your claim, but I understand it. The question is, where does the Scripture tell you to perform the ceremony you are speaking of. The passage to which you refer has nothing at all to do with your ceremony.
Very carefully, notice...Jesus did not say, "This is my flesh and blood and here is what I mean: I want the Roman organization to appoint a guy that will take some ordinary bread and wine and say something over them and those words will make my actual body and blood come 'under the appearance of bread and wine' and by doing this you will be 'reliving' my actual sacrifice. This will be the same sacrifice I have not yet done, but will do soon, nevertheless go ahead and do this even though it has not happened in reality, yet." When you find this passage, let us all know and we'll convert. Until then, please go back and read the text more carefully.
If it is just a "remembrance", then why does your organization claim to "transubstantiate" the "elements" into the body and blood?
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