"Get out, and don’t come back until you’ve redeemed yourselves.”
Posted on 04/29/2014 2:33:52 AM PDT by NYer
Oooops!
I probably should NOT have brought this up in a CATHOLIC related thread...
No one will ever mistake you for a Christian.
Doesn't look like it (after reading up to post 142). These are times when I just say to myself "a reasonable lurker in search of the truth can see, I'm sure". There are times like this that are present often on FR. Its either trust the reasonableness of the lurker, or obsess about getting the precious last word, like some schoolyard punk.
It's not that burdensome to ask the Church for either a dispensation or a convalidation, either of which, paperwork wise would take less than 5 minutes. And with the dispensation the non Catholic doesn't have to set foot in a Cathokic church. Hardly a burden on him (or her). This way there is no sin.
Sheesh I'm sorry I asked the question. I didn't realize it'd be used as an excuse to go into tirades about the Catholic Church.
I note that you posted only snippets of the CCC.
Well, here are some full statements posted in their entirety and it shows that you again are wrong.
2384 Divorce is a grave offense against the natural law. It claims to break the contract, to which the spouses freely consented, to live with each other till death. Divorce does injury to the covenant of salvation, of which sacramental marriage is the sign. Contracting a new union, even if it is recognized by civil law, adds to the gravity of the rupture: the remarried spouse is then in a situation of public and permanent adultery:
If a husband, separated from his wife, approaches another woman, he is an adulterer because he makes that woman commit adultery, and the woman who lives with him is an adulteress, because she has drawn another's husband to herself.177
2385 Divorce is immoral also because it introduces disorder into the family and into society. This disorder brings grave harm to the deserted spouse, to children traumatized by the separation of their parents and often torn between them, and because of its contagious effect which makes it truly a plague on society.
The CCC states that it IS a grave offense, contrary to your claim that it's not.
It also states that it is immoral, which makes it a sin.
It is not in accordance with Scripture or supported by that passage. That passage says the separation should only be for a short time for prayer and fasting. That is not the situation here where the priest told her to separate herself until..... they comply with Church demands and get rubber stamp Catholic approval for how they are to be married.
Or some such nonsense.
I’m not one to use huge screaming fonts, so imagine the below to be in one inch bold type, all caps:
Yes or No?
You; however; come across as a really good Catholic.
Seems not everything is a Yes or No question; no matter how loud we scream.
Generally, divorce is immoral, but not always. This is why the Catechism gives example when it is “tolerated” in 2383, already cited. Like most things.
This woman doesn’t have to divorce her husband. What she needs to do is separate from him till such time their marriage can be consecrated in the Church. Had she done that, her sinful condition would have stopped and she would have received her absolution.
Oh???
Matthew 5:37 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)
Let what you say be simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything more than this comes from evil.
Houston: we have a problem.
Oh?
Just what SIN is she ACCUSED of?
Thank GOD the pesky y/n requirement is missing here!
A wonderful answer. Yes, it might be hard for the woman to hear, but it is the truth, and God IS truth. I'm so glad you gave her that truth in love and compassion. I'm sorry the other priest was less than compassionate, but I hope she'll listen to your words, and come to understand.
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