Posted on 04/29/2014 2:33:52 AM PDT by NYer
Is this REALLY infallible doctrine of the Church?? [Everyone not married in a church is in grave mortal sin.]
Not that it will satisfy, but the short answer is “No, unless..”
One would actually have to look deeper to know more. Perhaps read the thread or other matter to understand the Church’s position on marriage.
Well, that's going to be the only options since no Catholic on this board will commit to answering straight up questions about their faith.
Yes, one has to look deeper to know more.
It’s a chore, I know.
Yes it cle No; it was NOT!
It was danced around.It was answered in no less than 9 posts: 16 and 19, by Campion, 25 by myself, 28,52, 58 by NYer, 72 by Steve86, 81 and 87, by Annalex.
Now it does require reading because it is a lot of information and it does require the understanding of "infallible" and the sacrament of marriage, but it has been answered.
You could illustrate how simple the question is:
Take Sue… she’s 30 years-old and not married in a church. Is she living in sin or not?
That’s a Yes or No question of course.
Actually you need more information:
1) Is She Catholic?
2)Is she a baptized Christian using the Trinitarian formula?
3)Is her husband Catholic?
4)Is he baptized using the Trinitarian formula?
5)If one of them is not Catholic did they receive a "dispensation from Form"?
The question is for the non-Catholic questioners.
They may have their own questions and qualifications.
However that is not allowed under the rules. Yes or No only is allowed.
And (if she is Catholic) ... was she married outside of the Catholic Church?
Well, yes, but if you’re non-Catholic, it seems it’s a simple Yes or No question.
She came to the Catholic Church asking for absolution. What God will do I don't know, but if she asks the Church something she should be satisfied with the rules that exist in the Church.
She's legally married, she is not in a state of sin
One does not follow from the other. She is both legally married and in the state of sin.
show us where in the CCC it says that. Then why annulments?
See Canon 2383 and around it. Also read the scripture you already quoted.
Annulment is not divorce. Annulment is the recognition that an apparent marriage is not really marriage in the eye of God. If a marriage had been initiated properly, the spouses may divorce if a grave reason exists, but they will not obtain annulment.
Fr Z whom I quoted is correct expressing the Church doctrine, in my opinion. It is not, however, a Papal encyclical so whether it is technically infallible or not is a matter of opinion; I believe it to be without error and so I stated.
To which question? I see several.
I don’t think they are here to learn. Thank you.
yes/no
She lives with 12 cars.
After hearing my responses
I was in grave, mortal sin since I wasn’t married in a church
and refused to hear my confession but instead offered to pray for me.
Since no Catholic, so far, has said whether this 'priest' was poorly catechized; I can only assume, since no plain answer is possible, that the answer is maybe.
huh?
This is pretty close to a yes; even if it is just your opinion.
I cannot, for the life of me, figure out WHY it takes Rome VOLUMES of extra paperwork to make a simple statement, using the information that was apparently given her priest.
"Your mortal soul is in danger!" seems mighty simple to me.
I guess none of you Catholic posters on FR are priests.
They MUST get special training to be able to give an answer thru the screen so quickly.
#66
The very first reply I had in this thread.
I pinged you to it.
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