Posted on 05/07/2014 8:26:24 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
You probably have never even considered this, but neither of these is self-evident.
Isiah 66:1 This is what the LORD says (to David): "Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. Where is the house you will build for me? Where will my resting place be?
David built the Temple so that God would have a place to rest on Earth. That place is the holiest site for Judaism and is the very basis for its structure. Jews are still forbidden today to walk above on the Temple Mount because that is where God's Spirit had taken up to rest as signs in several languages give ample warning to all. God's resting place is what anchors the Temple and which is its raison d'etre for having been constructed.
Where is this specific site where the Jewish God rested?? It's the exact same spot where these G-d dammed misbegotten Muslims decided to build their Whore house of prayer, the Dome of The Rock, exactly right on top of the spot where the Jewish God's Spirit rested.
So, if you want a Jewish Temple that exists, is built according to the specifications, protocols in which God's Spirit would rest as it did in the previous two Temples, you're not going to build it in Short Hills, New Jersey, just like you won't build a Lincoln Memorial in Astana, Kazakhstan, it's capital city.
Call it whatever you want—IT will be rebuilt. Just a matter of time, whenever the next ME war begin and Israel destroys the Arab coalition in “Palestine”, Lebanon, Syria and Egypt.
The people you say that reject Jesus will accept Him in huge numbers actually—Revelation, Daniel, Ezekiel, Isaiah all say it.
>>>All your arguments assume that chrstianity is true and that the “new testament” is genuine Divine revelation. You probably have never even considered this, but neither of these is self-evident.<<<
No, I have never even considered it. I am no fool.
Philip
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>>>Revelation, Daniel, Ezekiel, Isaiah all say it.<<<
Please cite those verses/passages. Thanks.
Philip
“Israel doesn’t have “eminent domain”?”
Nope. Soon after east Jerusalem was captured in 1967, the Israelis gave the Arab Muslims police authority over the Temple Mount, in an attempt to win the muzzies over.
Really worked out, hasn’t it?
Most Israelis believe that if Al-Aqsa & the Dome were blown up that a billion enraged muzzies would rise up & overrun the land of Israel in a giant tsunami of smelly flesh.
Thanks M!
For lack of a better term, it’s ‘Face. And I’ll see you on FB!
Israel did not turn over the Temple Mount to Muslims in an attempt to ‘win muzzies over’.
Israel hurriedly surrendered the Temple Mount to prevent expected Messianic fervor for a rebuilt Temple that would arise with Jewish sovereignty over it.
If you read Daniel 9:25, he talks about 70 weeks. At the time Christ was crucified, the clock stopped at the 69th week. The last “seven” or week cannot start until the “he” who is the AntiChrist confirms the covenant in Daniel 9:27 for one “seven”. These are the last seven years before the 2nd coming of Christ. The soon to be built temple is mentioned in this passage. It cannot refer to the old temple destroyed by the Romans because there was never a “covenant” back then. Daniel 12:11 also refers to the abomination in the temple where the AC demands worship of himself instead of God.
Isaiah 17 must happen before all of that though (see the oracle against Damascus).
Maybe this link will help?
http://www.gotquestions.org/end-times-temple.html
Daniel and Revelation are mirrors of each other in a lot of ways.
Whose “Messianic fervor”?
Specifics, please.
And that would be a bad thing because?...
I'll go on record and say that some strategically placed high explosives would do wonders for any mosque. They already contain plenty, why not detonate them in place?
And God destroyed it, twice. The last time he made it clear that he had rejected Israel and their religion by his complete desolation of Jerusalem and the surrounding areas. God also broke any ties he had to the old order (e.g., to Israel as his chosen people) by taking his kingdom away from Israel and giving it to all nations: Jews and Gentiles (Mat 21:43.) That fulfilled God's promise to Abraham (Gen 22:18) that through Abraham's seed (Jesus Christ - Gal 3:16) all nations would be blessed. This was accomplished by rendering all who believe in Christ as Abraham's seed, and therefore heirs to the promise (Gal 3:29.) In doing so, God also made void any genealogical claims.
>>>Jews are still forbidden today to walk above on the Temple Mount because that is where God's Spirit had taken up to rest as signs in several languages give ample warning to all. God's resting place is what anchors the Temple and which is its raison d'etre for having been constructed.<<<
God's Spirit now rests in the Church, which is also called New Jerusalem. There is no longer any need for a physical temple since all who believe in Christ are now a part of the holy temple (Eph 2:19-22.) The following passages explain the temple part, and also that God has made all nations to be "one blood," thus tearing down the wall between Jews and Gentiles:
"Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are." (1 Cor 3:16-17 KJV)
"God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;" (Acts 17:24-26 KJV)
"But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father." (Eph 2:13-18 KJV)
"For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." (Rom 10:12-13 KJV)
Joel mentioned the second part when prophesying the destiny of the remnant of Israel who Christ called to be his elect:
"And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call." (Joel 2:32 KJV)
Philip
There is not one shred of evidence supporting the new-age, dispensational "stopped-clock" theory. It can only be derived by spiritualizing the scriptures.
Only seventy weeks (490 years) were determined: not thousands of years. The seventy weeks were fulfilled three and one-half years after Christ was crucified. In fact, the scripture plainly states that Christ arrived at the end of the 69th week. Since his ministry lasted one-half week (3.5 years,) that would leave only one-half week (3.5 years) to fulfil the prophecy. The only part left to be fulfilled within the seventy weeks was the remaining 3.5 years of confirmation of the covenant, which his disciples fulfilled for him (while seeking the lost sheep of the house of Israel, and prior to beginning their ministries to the Samaritans and Gentiles.)
The punishment phase (the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 by the Roman armies of Titus) was not part of the seventy weeks. Only the six items in 9:24 required fulfillment within the seventy weeks!
>>>Daniel 12:11 also refers to the abomination in the temple where the AC demands worship of himself instead of God.<<<
That prophesy was fulfilled by Antiochus IV around 145 BC. Jamieson, Fausset & Brown explained it this way:
"As to this epoch, which probably is prophetically germinant and manifold; the profanation of the temple by Antiochus: (in the month Ijar of the year 145 B. C., till the restoration of the worship by Judas Maccabeus on the twenty-fifth day of the ninth month (Chisleu) of 148 B. C., according to the Seleucid era, 1290 days; forty-five days more elapsed before Antiochus’ death in the month Shebat of 148 B. C., so ending the Jews’ calamities;" [Commentary, Old Testament Vol II - Proverbs to Malachi]
Note the remarkable exactness of the fulfilled dates! The prophecy states:
"And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days." (Dan 12:11-12 KJV)
Amazing! The daily sacrifice was restored on day 1290, and the tyrant, Antiochus IV, died on day 1335.
Josephus also wrote about the reign of Antiochus:
"AT the same time that Antiochus, who was called Epiphanes, had a quarrel with the sixth Ptolemy about his right to the whole country of Syria, a great sedition fell among the men of power in Judea, and they had a contention about obtaining the government; while each of those that were of dignity could not endure to be subject to their equals. However, Onias, one of the high priests, got the better, and cast the sons of Tobias out of the city; who fled to Antiochus, and besought him to make use of them for his leaders, and to make an expedition into Judea. The king being thereto disposed beforehand, complied with them, and came upon the Jews with a great army, and took their city by force, and slew a great multitude of those that favored Ptolemy, and sent out his soldiers to plunder them without mercy. He also spoiled the temple, and put a stop to the constant practice of offering a daily sacrifice of expiation for three years and six months. But Onias, the high priest, fled to Ptolemy, and received a place from him in the Nomus of Heliopolis, where he built a city resembling Jerusalem, and a temple that was like its temple concerning which we shall speak more in its proper place hereafter." [Josephus, Wars of the Jews I.1.1]
Matthew Henry wrote:
"The event fixed from which the time of the trouble is to be dated, from the taking away of the daily sacrifice by Antiochus, and the setting up of the image of Jupiter upon the altar, which was the abomination of desolation." [Commentary on the Whole Bible Volume IV (Isaiah to Malachi)]
Anyway, the so-called "Anti-Christ" in Daniel 12 died about 145 BC. When Jesus spoke of the Abomination of Desolation in Matthew 24 and Mark 13, he was referring to Antiochus IV. The disciples could not possibly know what the Dan 9:27 abominations were referring to at that time since they were not fulfilled until AD 70.
Philip
The destruction of Damascus occurred during the reign of Ahaz, king of Judah:
"So Ahaz sent messengers to Tiglathpileser king of Assyria, saying, I am thy servant and thy son: come up, and save me out of the hand of the king of Syria, and out of the hand of the king of Israel, which rise up against me. And Ahaz took the silver and gold that was found in the house of the Lord, and in the treasures of the king's house, and sent it for a present to the king of Assyria. And the king of Assyria hearkened unto him: for the king of Assyria went up against Damascus, and took it, and carried the people of it captive to Kir, and slew Rezin. And king Ahaz went to Damascus to meet Tiglathpileser king of Assyria, and saw an altar that was at Damascus: and king Ahaz sent to Urijah the priest the fashion of the altar, and the pattern of it, according to all the workmanship thereof." (2 Kin 16:7-10 KJV)
Note that while Isaiah gave us wonderful prophecies of the coming of Christ, he also prophesied about events that occurred during his own time period:
"The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah." (Isa 1:1 KJV)
Philip
I guess I should have titled my post “A Modest Proposal”
That link simply referred to several passages which have been spiritualized to make them appear to refer to a third temple. There are no prophecies about a third temple. None.
>>>Daniel and Revelation are mirrors of each other in a lot of ways.<<<
In some ways, yes. But I doubt they relate in ways that you think. For example, the resurrection mentioned in Daniel 12:1-2 was only for Daniel's people. Guess who Daniel's people were? This is the passage:
"And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt." (Dan 12:1-2 KJV)
That resurrection was only for the children of Israel. Note also that during the resurrection, some went to heaven, and some went to hell. How does that fit into the dispensational scheme?
Philip
True...Jesus is the non physical spiritual temple...It is most definitely NOT the Catholic church or any particular religion...
The 3rd Temple is a physical temple...It is not Jesus Christ...It is Solomon's Temple, rebuilt...With the throne of David...
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