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Is Pluralism a Threat to Catholic Survival?
Crisis Magazine ^ | May 7, 2014 | James Kalb

Posted on 05/07/2014 1:52:18 PM PDT by NYer

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To: ansel12

OR..

Give me your ideal conservative-voting religious affiliation.

Then give me an accurate demographic breakdown of same.


41 posted on 05/08/2014 12:21:52 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: GeronL

Europe is dhimmi, exactly because they gave up their nation and religious characters.


42 posted on 05/08/2014 8:46:40 AM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Pope Calvin the 1st, defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades)
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To: Iscool; ansel12
With a Church attendance rate of 47% as of 2007 (per University of Michigan) amongst ALL Christians in Mexico (People baptized as Catholic making up 82% of the population), never minding the rampant synchretism in rural areas, the horrific widespread brutality of those involved with the drug industry, and a government that still discourages Catholic teachings, I don't think Mexico qualifies as a religious country, much less a Catholic/Christian country.

It doesn't make much sense to insist that Mexico is a Catholic country. But, anything to fit a predefined narrative.

43 posted on 05/08/2014 8:57:22 AM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Pope Calvin the 1st, defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades)
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To: D-fendr

I don’t even know what you are talking about, that didn’t make any sense, and had nothing to do with anything that I have posted.


44 posted on 05/08/2014 9:31:17 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

That’s funny, I could have sworn you were describing something done by the KKK in the distant past when Mexico was almost 100% Catholic, founded by Catholics, and with at least 70% church attendance, and about as perfectly catholic as a country could be, not today, so this post you just made is a little weird and irrelevant.


45 posted on 05/08/2014 9:39:25 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12
Its very simple, really.

Mexico suffered from a Bolshevik revolution.

The Bolshevik government outlawed Catholicism.

A civil war insued.

The KKK took up collections to fund the Bolshevik war on Catholicism.

The war ended with Catholic worship permitted under severe restrictions, some of which remained in place until the 1990s. The government of Mexico remains hostile to many teachings of the Church.

The result of over half a century of government-control over worship is the Mexico you see today. Very few people go to Church, very few people follow Church teachings.

46 posted on 05/08/2014 10:10:06 AM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Pope Calvin the 1st, defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Holy cow, you posted all that nonsense before, and now more nonsense.

You really, really seem to want to talk about something besides this thread.

American Catholics support the left, and immigration.


47 posted on 05/08/2014 10:31:09 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

Nice try. You said Catholics are trying to create a Catholic society by bringing in Mexicans. When confronted with the clear evidence that Mexico is by no means a Catholic society and your pre-defined narrative is based on your own whimsical dreams, you played dumb, and now pretend that the thread is Catholics “supporting the left,” when it is about pluralism.


48 posted on 05/08/2014 10:53:38 AM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Pope Calvin the 1st, defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
Furthermore, white Catholics voted 60% for Romney, while white Protestants voted 70% for Romney. Colored voters, regardless of denomination voted heavily for Obama. This indicates, among other things, that race is a more accurate way of predicting voting patterns than religion, which you have been told already.

But apparently you want to continue your previous line about "Catholics supporting the left." In which case, Catholics "support the left" only nominally more than Protestants "support the left."

Another phony narrative out the window. I have no doubt, however, that you'll continue to repeat it. Sometimes the truth matters less than the agenda, it would seem.

49 posted on 05/08/2014 11:02:09 AM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Pope Calvin the 1st, defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Nice try? it is just simple facts, the democrats have always won the Catholic vote, and when JFK took office the number of times the GOP had won the Catholic vote was disputed, with the total either being one, or zero, the democrats adopted JFK’s immigration plan, and today they depend on Catholic immigration from the Catholic nations to the South, such as Mexico.


50 posted on 05/08/2014 11:22:52 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

American Catholics were voting democrat long before they lost their racial purity.


51 posted on 05/08/2014 11:24:10 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12
As I said, despite being clearly shown that Mexico is NOT a Catholic country, you will continue to casually insist that it is.

Anything to fit the agenda.

52 posted on 05/08/2014 1:57:47 PM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Pope Calvin the 1st, defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
But apparently you want to continue your previous line about "Catholics supporting the left." In which case, Catholics "support the left" only nominally more than Protestants "support the left."

By your own claim, it is white Catholics who support the left only nominally more than white Protestants...

The fact is, there are far more Mexican Catholics than there are Mexican Protestants in the U.S...Most of those Mexican Catholics vote liberal...So your numbers are pretty skewed...

The white membership of the Catholic church is dropping like flies, while the white membership in the Protestant denominations is growing....

53 posted on 05/08/2014 2:04:07 PM PDT by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: Iscool
"The fact is, there are far more Mexican Catholics than there are Mexican Protestants in the U.S...Most of those Mexican Catholics vote liberal...So your numbers are pretty skewed..."

And the fact also is, there are a lot more black Protestants than black Catholics in the U.S, and 95% of them vote liberal. And there are millions more black Protestants than Mexican Catholics in the U.S.

54 posted on 05/08/2014 2:12:20 PM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Pope Calvin the 1st, defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Anything to fit your agenda?

Like going on about Mexico? The Catholic country that has been sending millions of Catholics to America since JFK’s immigration law was passed?

The fact is that American Catholics are and were, and always will be, democrat voters, we can hope for the too rare exceptions, but the left knows that they will continue to own the Catholics.


55 posted on 05/08/2014 3:26:22 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

While blacks who mostly attend black Protestant churches of various denominations vote democrat today, we don’t have a breakdown of how they vote depending on which denomination they attend.

The members of the Catholic denomination have always been a predictable democrat vote, and still are, they support the party that the blacks switched to in 1936.


56 posted on 05/08/2014 3:30:54 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Iscool

The facts are that the democrat party owned the Catholic voters, long before JFK’s change to the immigration laws, to replace the American Protestants of America.

When JFK was shot in 1963, the Democrat party had only won the Protestant vote twice (1932, 1936), and had only lost the Catholic vote either once, or zero.

See the first sentence in the article? “”With few exceptions, American Catholics have given up on the dream of a Catholic society.””


57 posted on 05/08/2014 3:36:11 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

It relates directly to your discussion and your position.

To make the point again: Would you be ok if the influx of Mexican immigrants were non-Catholic?


58 posted on 05/10/2014 7:25:32 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr
So Catholics voted for Kennedy, Kennedy was liberal.. ergo.. that’s your factual, statistical basis for Catholic = liberal. You do see the problems with this being the foundation of your argument, yes?

I don’t even know what you are talking about, that didn’t make any sense, and had nothing to do with anything that I have posted.

59 posted on 05/10/2014 7:41:03 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12

Well then don’t worry yourself any more about it.

Give a try to the other questions and points.


60 posted on 05/10/2014 8:41:50 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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