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Posted on 05/12/2014 6:52:28 PM PDT by GamecockEdited on 05/12/2014 6:57:47 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
VATICAN CITY - Pope Francis on Monday declared that everyone has the right to be baptized, even aliens should they come knocking on the church's door.
Christians cannot "close the door" to all those who seek baptism even if they are "green men, with a long nose and big ears, like children draw," the pope said at his daily Mass, according to Vatican Radio.
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I can grok that.
Is how gets to get baptized an issue in the Catholic church?
Uh, OK your Holiness. Whatever you say. What are they putting in the holy water at the Vatican these days?
How does the Pope know if aliens (if there are aliens) have a soul?
(There's actually been more than a bit of chitchat about this lately, among the weird conspiracy fringe dispys.)
It is called modern communication. In the context of a daily homily, it is a way of making a point that everyone is called to receive baptism, no matter how they might appear in the eyes of the beholder. Taken out of the context and put into a headline, it sounds as if the Pope has issued a bull on the salvation of extra-terrestrials when in fact all that he has done is made a valid point in an effective way at a daily Mass.
uh, I’m no theologian, but didn’t Jesus die for humanity? He didn’t die for Mork
If they have a soul.
Every time a world leader, be they Russian, American, English or now the Pope, “laughingly” reference “little green men” or aliens in this way, I am more and more sure that they know something that we don’t. Nothing else makes sense.
And just how is that decided?
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This rivals the fatwa forbidding Muslim travel to Mars.
I wonder if he has seen the Mel Gibson movie “Signs”
>>How does the Pope know if aliens (if there are aliens) have a soul?<<
Why would they not?
Do animals have souls? Why or why not.
(I’m guessing Rome says yes)
Share water with a Marvin? A Martian water brother?
Gee, I dunno ..... I draw the line at my essence.
the hits just keep on coming
If they didn’t have souls, why would they want baptism?
>>Do animals have souls? Why or why not.
(Im guessing Rome says yes)<<
I think the official RCC word is they do not. But the converse part of that is that God, being omniscient, can recreate in our pets in the afterlife exactly the attributes they brought to us in life.
Our love for them is real, their love for us is real, but the relationship is different.
Animals do not have souls.
E.T. Phone Rome!
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I’ve seen a chimpanzee smoking a cigar while rollerskating—backwards, with his hands behind his back.
And he looked pretty pleased with himself, the cocky little ape. Should we baptize chimps too?
Martians, primates, democrats and gingers have no souls I tell ya!
Where is the article?
Seems to have moved. Google it, there are several sites reporting this.
He’s read CS Lewis.
...or are Martians born with Original Sin?
All dogs go to heaven.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought in Roman Catholic theology, baptism took away Adam’s sin. A Martian would not be a descendant of Adam, so why baptize? “Verily Christ took not on him the nature of angels, but he took on him the seed of Abraham;” there is no salvation for fallen angels, but there is for the fallen sons of Adam.
I am not a Roman Catholic, but you seem to make an excellent point.
working from one end to another and all points in-between...
‘Hot, green and righteous’?
Souls are the life giving principle of all living things. It is what makes a body different than a corpse, a tree different than a log. Following Aristotle, there are three kinds of levels of souls. The first is the vegetive souls which pertains to plants. It has the faculties of growth, nutrition and reproduction. The animal soul, common to animals, adds to these faculties those of the senses and self motion. The rational soul, common only to man, adds the faculties of reason and free-will. The powers of the vegetative and animal souls, being tied to the activity of the body, cease with death and are thus not immortal. Reason and free will of the rational soul, not being bodily functions, survive after the death which is but the separation of the soul from the body. And it is only the rational soul of man which has the power to love or to sin. It is the only one capable of redemption by God and union with Him in eternal life.
“I have sheep that are not of this fold.”
It is debatable what that means, and I have not delved into the original word. But the translated word certainly opens it up for ETs.
in before the alien guy
We have officially reached the end of things to fight about.
For some species it’s Holy Ammonia.
The pope was only making a point, not a formal doctrinal position. There is no need to be so serious or critical.
No mention of Jesus...No mention of repentance...Not a word about sin...It’s all about the miracle water...
Might end up with a lot of Catholic greys and amphibians but won’t none of them make it to heaven...
That’s one goofy religion...
Wasn’t this green-hued Orion beauty one of Pastor Kirk’s conversions
Well, you Humans have... ;)
>>Wasnt this green-hued Orion beauty one of Pastor Kirks conversions<<
I think it was Pastor Pike...
“Animals do not have souls.”
Spiritual souls at least. My dog does definitely have a soul of some sort.