Posted on 05/14/2014 10:02:57 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
“...and Sacred Tradition that we have the complete Word of God.”
Sorry Salvation, but you are wrong in this post.
There are no Traditions necessary to salvation or to complete the Word of God. Nor for maturity.
“Yes, it begins with the phrase, “Simon Peter, the servant and apostle of Jesus Christ,” but that phrase alone does not prove apostolic authorship”
It was either Peter, or it is in error and not inspired.
“Prince of the Apostles”
Wow, again with a non-Biblical Title.
Paul and troupe were teaching Divine revelation, and they knew they were not going to be alive forever - or even much longer in Peter's case. They knew the truth of the Christian faith would be forever unchanged and it was the Holy Spirit who inspired them to enscripturate for all time what they knew to be THE truth. That's just FACT!
Acts 2:3-4 - the Holy Spirit came to the apostles in the form of “tongues” of fire so that they would “speak” (not just write) the Word.
Acts 15:27 - Judas and Silas, successors to the apostles, were sent to bring God’s infallible Word by “word of mouth.”
Rom. 10:8 - the Word is near you, on your lips and in your heart, which is the word of faith which is preached (not just written).
Rom. 10:17 - faith comes by what is “heard” (not just read) which is the Word that is “preached” (not read). This word comes from the oral tradition of the apostles. Those in countries where the Scriptures are not available can still come to faith in Jesus Christ.
1 Cor. 15:1,11 - faith comes from what is “preached” (not read). For non-Catholics to argue that oral tradition once existed but exists no longer, they must prove this from Scripture. But no where does Scripture say oral tradition died with the apostles. To the contrary, Scripture says the oral word abides forever.
Gal. 1:11-12 - the Gospel which is “preached” (not read) to me is not a man’s Gospel, but the Revelation of Jesus Christ.
Eph. 1:13 - hearing (not reading) the Word of truth is the gospel of our salvation. This is the living word in the Church’s living tradition.
Col. 1:5 - of this you have “heard” (not read) before in the word of truth, the Gospel which has come to you.
1 Thess. 2:13 - the Word of God is what you have “heard” (not read). The orally communicated word of God lasts forever, and this word is preserved within the Church by the Holy Spirit.
2 Tim. 1:13 - oral communications are protected by the Spirit. They abide forever. Oral authority does not die with the apostles.
2 Tim. 4:2,6-7 - Paul, at the end of his life, charges Timothy to preach (not write) the Word. Oral teaching does not die with Paul.
Titus 1:3 - God’s word is manifested “through preaching” (not writing). This “preaching” is the tradition that comes from the apostles.
That precludes *sacred tradition*. Just because someone claims to speak for God does not mean they do. Lots of people make that claim but unless and until the beliefs line up with the clear teaching of Scripture, they should be and need to be rejected.
So we're back to the Bible, the word of God, as being the sole authority.
You just shot yourself in the foot with that post.
That’s not a list of sources that either list the traditions that the Catholic church claims are the oral traditions passed down from the apostle, nor does it verify that those traditions are authentic.
If you’re a Christian, you’re a Christian. Your identity is being a follower of Christ.
If someone identifies as a Baptist, Methodist, Catholic, whatever, and if they consider that their identity, then they are Protestant or Catholic.
Just for the record, since you seem to feel free to label us according to your preferences, then I will label the following as Catholic.....
Pelosi, Kennedy, Chavez, pro-abortion voting Catholics who attend mass every Sunday and then some, pro-abortion and women who want to become priests groups,......
Wasn’t there a quote from a Catholic bishop or something along the same lines some time past that read (essentially) that when you cross the threshold of the church door, all thinking stops. (paraphased)
I recall seeing something to that effect some time back but never kept the quote for future reference.
Catholics do love their labels.
The more they respect the person, the better.
Completely contrary to the clear teaching of Scripture that we are not to be respecters of persons.
How do you know?
How do you know they’re from the apostles, Paul in particular?
How do you know they’ve been passed down faithfully?
What is your source for verifying all of the above?
Please provide the sources for verification purposes.
OK. So how do you know that the Catholic church is telling you the truth in its claims about itself and it’s alleged infallibility and its *Sacred Tradition* which it claims to put on par with Scripture?
Joseph Smith claimed to have divine revelation direct from God and Jesus.
Benny Hinn, Ken Copeland, Harold Camping, Ken Hagin, all claim to have heard God speak to them and have special divine revelation.
What makes the Catholic church claims any different? What makes them valid and the rest not?
What sound reason do you have to believe it over the others?
Oh, believe me, I do!
Some FRoman Catholics have said we can find that list in the Catholic Church's official Catechism. Yet, others have stated what we may find in that official Catechism can be based on someone's opinion which would make it not a reliable source to know what Catholicism holds as those extra-biblical "traditions". But, we are told there IS unity found there! I'm sure I am not the only one who sees real disconnects going on here.
Let me know when NKP_vet cracks and shares all these Official Traditions with you.
I want all that truth too!!!
Why, oh why would someone believe Tradition is that important, but not be willing to share it???
Glad to see you at least acknowledge "Protestants" are Christians, too. Did you MEAN to do that?
“Can you get your head around”
Can you get your head around the fact that the teachings of God, then the teachings of Jesus Christ were taught before one word was written down! Was Abraham reading a Bible. For years and years after the death of Christ not a thing about his life and teachings were written down, then the apostles started dying off and the only way His teachings could be carried on for generations to come was by it being written down! That’s why the NT was stated. Why in the world is that so hard for you or anyone other than a Catholic or an Orthodox Christian to understand. And those two Christians faiths just happen to to be able to trace their heritage straight back to Jesus.
Just for the record, your PRO-ABORTION/homo “marriage” loving president claims to be a protestant!
Never said they were not Christians, but for their salvation they need to become Catholic. Now that’s a fact.
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