Posted on 05/14/2014 10:02:57 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
The original writings from the Apostles themselves (the autographs) no longer exist.
This is due partly to the perishable material (papyrus) used by the writers, and partly the fact that the Roman emperors decreed the destruction of the sacred books of the Christians (Edict of Diocletian, A.D. 303).
Before translating the Bible into Latin, St. Jerome already translated into more common languages enough books to fill a library. (Saint Jerome, Maisie Ward, Sheed & Ward; A Companion to Scripture Studies, Steinmuller.)
In the year 383, he revised the Latin New Testament text in accordance with some Greek manuscripts. Between the years 390 and 406 he translated the Old Testament directly from the Hebrew, and this completed work is known today as the "Old Latin Vulgate". The work had been requested by Pope Damasus, and Copies of St. Jerome's Latin Vulgate appeared uncorrupted as late as the 11th century, with some revisions by St. Peter Damian and Lanfranc. (Catholic Encyclopedia, "Place of the Bible in the Church", C.U.A.)
Pope Benedict XV wrote about St. Jerome's translation in his 1920 encyclical, Spiritus Paraclitus, "Nor was Jerome content merely to gather up this or that teacher's words; he gathered from all quarters whatever might prove of use to him in this task. From the outset he had accumulated the best possible copies of the Bible and the best commentators on it," . . . "he corrected the Latin version of the Old Testament by the Greek; he translated afresh nearly all the books of the Old Testament from Hebrew into Latin; . . . he discussed Biblical questions with the brethren who came to him, and answered letters on Biblical questions which poured in upon him from all sides; besides all this, he was constantly refuting men who assailed Catholic doctrine and unity."
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“Where and what is the unity in Catholicism?”
Religion
“There is no such thing as the Protestant Church, therefore it is impossible to have any type of unity. “
All believers of all time have unity in the Person of Christ and His Gospel of Grace.
“Oh, but Jesus didn’t write a thing, but Paul did, here’s a few things Saint Paul said about Tradition.”
Please post the Official List of Paul’s Referred to Traditions.
I keep asking for it, but you keep not posting it.
If it is real and important, why are people hiding it?
Well stated. Hallelujah.
The scripture verse was listed. You have a Bible. Look it up.
Protestants are not members of the Catholic Church. Christ established a very visible church, with a structure, and heirarchy consisting of bishops and priests and deacons. All appointed with Holy Orders. Protestants are not members.
Protestants are no more members of the Catholic Church than they are the Orthodox Church. Protestantism is a false religion.
“The scripture verse was listed. You have a Bible. Look it up.”
Sorry, NK, but Paul does not list any traditions at all. Therefore, since you are espousing Tradition in addition to Scripture, you must have the Official List OF Pauline Traditions.
Please share the list you must have, or is not really important to know what they are?
“Protestants are not members of the Catholic Church.”
I don’t think any believer would want to stoop lower than being the Body and Bride of Christ.
“but Paul does not list any traditions at all. Therefore, since you are espousing Tradition in addition to Scripture”
Then you don’t how to read so don’t bother me with your childish nonsense anymore.
“Protestantism is a false religion.”
Such a broad term that covers so much ground.
Speaking only as a Christian, I do not consider myself Protestant any more than I consider myself Catholic. Both are irrelevant religions. Judging from the posts I’m seeing under your screen name, they seem to make people very, very angry.
Better to come to Christ.
“Protestantism is a false religion.”
Yeah but we leave the altar boys alone.
Just what are those traditions Paul was referring to that he handed down that we are to keep that were not included in Scripture?
How do you know?
How do you know they’re from the apostles, Paul in particular?
How do you know they’ve been passed down faithfully?
What is your source for verifying all of the above?
Please provide the sources for verification purposes.
“Then you don’t how to read so don’t bother me with your childish nonsense anymore.”
Wow, it would seem if you had an official list of traditions or a secret code to read Paul’s writings that would reveal one, and you thought they were crucial, then you would share.
Hoarder of traditions!
IOW, *No, I don't have a list of those traditions. Now stop pestering me and embarrassing me!*
Actually, ALL religions are false belief systems.
No religion can make one right with God.
“50,000 protestant denominations, all believing they are right and everyone else is wrong”
Educate yourself, please. Protestant denominations do NOT all believe they are right (exclusively) and everyone else is wrong. I’m fundamental Baptist, and I have close friends of other denominations who are born-again Christians without a doubt. No Baptist (not sure about other denominations) believes it’s the one-and-only denomination and people attending other churches are wrong. I’ve attended Methodist and Presbyterian churches even though there are Baptist churches closer; I choose the one that most closely follows the Bible.
“Please provide the sources for verification purposes”
“St. Paul does not list the books that comprise Scripture. He does say that all Scripture is inspired and useful, so that he who belongs to God will be fully equipped and made complete for every good work. He does not say “Scripture alone,” and those who read that into the text are doing so based on their own tradition.
Aside from Tradition, there is no proof that St. Peter actually wrote two epistles. We simply don’t have the originals, so we are relying on the traditionally accepted authorship of St. Peter. Yes, it begins with the phrase, “Simon Peter, the servant and apostle of Jesus Christ,” but that phrase alone does not prove apostolic authorship. So when someone says that he accepts the Pauline epistles on the same basis as St. Peter, it is obvious he is relying on Tradition, as St. Peter’s second epistle does not give explicit reasons for their acceptance, does not limit Scripture to the Pauline epistles, and does not tell us the epistles considered inspired by the Prince of the Apostles.
If you’re a Christian you’re either a protestant or a catholic, whether you want to believe it or not. Let me help you out. Evangelicals are protestants.
Where Roman mind meld rules. “All that we do [as must be patent enough now] is to submit our judgment and conform our beliefs to the authority Almighty God has set up on earth to teach us; this, and nothing else.” —“Henry G. Graham, "What Faith Really Means"
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