[tumblindice]

The Romans didn’t execute common criminals by that method.
Crucifixion was reserved for crimes against Rome. So it is highly unlikely that Jesus was flanked on Cavalry by thieves.

You know, I suppose I could have been charged with heresy and burned for saying such things not too very long ago, or at least flogged. But that was then and this is now.
Today, you may not have enough self-respect to control yourself by not making outlandish statements—such as that Welch’s grape juice and unsalted crackers actually become flesh & blood—but if you do, you’ve got to expect to be called on it by those of us who do have some respect for ourselves and the truth.

[Rides_A_Red_Horse]

What if they stole from Caesar?

[JSteff]

"So it is highly unlikely that Jesus was flanked on Cavalry by thieves."

Is it possible that since the Crucifixion was done mostly by agreement between two government officials of two different governments working towards their own goals and needs or the moment that the two "thieves" just happened to be there. Not wanting to waste a good execution moment Pilate agreed to have them executed by roman soldiers while they were executing Jesus... by agreement with the Hebrew officials who needed them gone and would or could not do it because the rules of Passover prohibited it to be done by Jews on that day?

So could it have been just a "favor" of one government agency to another? Think of the reality of the situation. God would have known about all this stuff as he set the situation to happen according to his plan...made years before that date?

After all it was pre-ordained eons before by God and all outcomes and situational events happened according to his creation and plan.

Doubt it? Really? For us to second guess any of the events is just, well, beyond stupid.

And does anyone doubt that God pre-planed that believers might be of different "faiths".

Does anyone think that when the final tally of any one's good actions on earth are diminished by not being pre-registered to any Christian faith.? Are you saying that God only rewards those who were registered to select "clubs of the faithful?

[martiangohome]

You are correct. Most likely all three involved, Jesus included, were charged as insurrectionists against Rome. The notion that the Jews in charge at the time were in cahoots with Pilate is, let’s just say, highly unlikely.

[af_vet_1981]

The Romans didn’t execute common criminals by that method. Crucifixion was reserved for crimes against Rome. So it is highly unlikely that Jesus was flanked on Cavalry by thieves. You know, I suppose I could have been charged with heresy and burned for saying such things not too very long ago, or at least flogged. But that was then and this is now. Today, you may not have enough self-respect to control yourself by not making outlandish statements—such as that Welch’s grape juice and unsalted crackers actually become flesh & blood—but if you do, you’ve got to expect to be called on it by those of us who do have some respect for ourselves and the truth.

Are you arguing for a better English word to use for the Greek words given or denying the Gospels ? And if you don't have the faith to believe the Gospels, why should anyone listen to you about what Jesus told us in the Gospels ?

Matthew and Mark use 3027 lēstḗs – a thief ("robber"), stealing out in the open (typically with violence). 3027 /lēstḗs ("a bandit, briard") is a thief who also plunders and pillages – an unscrupulous marauder (malefactor), exploiting the vulnerable without hesitating to use violence.

Luke uses 2557 kakoúrgos (from 2556 /kakós, "a malignant disposition") – "a malefactor; a technical word implying criminality. William Ramsay noted this term "marks exactly the tone of the Neronian period, and . . . refers expressly to the flagitia, for which the Christians were condemned under Nero, and for which they were no longer condemned in ad 112" (WS).

John uses both words when discussing Jesus being subject to crucifixion and the release of Barabbas from crucifixion.

• Then were there two thieves crucified with him, one on the right hand, and another on the left.
• And with him they crucify two thieves; the one on his right hand, and the other on his left. And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors.
• And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left.
• And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us. But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?
• They answered and said unto him, If he were not a malefactor, we would not have delivered him up unto thee.
• Then cried they all again, saying, Not this man, but Barabbas. Now Barabbas was a robber.
• Where they crucified him, and two other with him, on either side one, and Jesus in the midst.