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To: vladimir998

My Lord gave Himself as a perfect and complete sacrifice one time, so I have no need for any further sacrifices. He paid my sin debt in full roughly 2,000 years ago on that tree.

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”

Now THAT is a precious gift to celebrate. That’s the best gift He could possibly give me or any other son of Adam. I am increasingly awed by His grace to me.

God never gave the (un)Holy Eucharist. That’s Rome’s invention based largely on a misunderstanding of the 6th chapter of John. The Roman mass is what happens when adherents of a religion take Scripture out-of-context. For want of understanding of metaphor, Rome makes a mockery of Christ and His perfect and completed work. What you view as a gift from God, I view as demeaning idolatry and blasphemy. The Christ Jesus of the Bible was no victim. He lived to die on that cross. He was the “lamb slain before the foundation of the world.” Rome’s celebration robs Christ of His glory and showers it on sinful men, her priests who pretend they can conjure Christ’s work through their utterances. It breaks my heart that Rome teaches sinners to genuflect before idols made with human hands. My Lord, the Lord of glory, can’t be sacrificed all over again and He’s not hanging dead on a cross. He has ascended to the throne of heaven where He sits at the right of the Father, ruling and reigning as King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

In the coming days it is unlikely I will be around to delve into this any further, but here are some helpful links for anyone who wants to know more.

Salvation and the Sacraments (written by a former priest)
http://www.bereanbeacon.org/article/sorted/01_On_Catholicism/Salvation_and_the_Sacraments.pdf

Transubstantiation: Does the Eucharist Become the “Real Presence” - the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ?
http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/eucharist.html

Explaining the Hersey of the Catholic Mass Parts 1&2
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=1117101711406
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=1117101713478


96 posted on 05/25/2014 7:27:37 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: .45 Long Colt

“My Lord gave Himself as a perfect and complete sacrifice one time, so I have no need for any further sacrifices.”

There are no further sacrifices. The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is the same sacrifice re-presented.

http://onemoresoul.com/catalog/science-tests-faith-dvd-p1125.html This is similar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vz9L2EYjjsc


124 posted on 05/25/2014 10:54:37 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: .45 Long Colt

“That’s Rome’s invention based largely on a misunderstanding of the 6th chapter of John.”

Then why do Protestants such as Lutherans and Anglicans have the same “misunderstanding” yet believe in multiple Protestant doctrines? Why do all - that’s ALL - of the Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox from Ethiopia to China have the same “misunderstanding”? I don’t think you know nearly as much as you think you know.

“The Roman mass is what happens when adherents of a religion take Scripture out-of-context.”

So you’re also saying that Anglicans and Lutherans have also taken it out of context? If major doctrine creating groups in Protestantism are - according to your own Protestant standard - mistaken about the Bible in such an important way, then how can any Protestant group be trusted with anything in scripture?


125 posted on 05/25/2014 11:01:17 AM PDT by vladimir998
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