Posted on 05/25/2014 4:39:43 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
So the Catholic church didn’t dominate over Christians for centuries?
From the Book of Mark:
7:24. And rising from thence he went into the coasts of Tyre and Sidon: and entering into a house, he would that no man should know it. And he could not be hid.
7:25. For a woman as soon as she heard of him, whose daughter had an unclean spirit, came in and fell down at his feet.
7:26. For the woman was a Gentile, a Syrophenician born. And she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter.
7:27. Who said to her: suffer first the children to be filled: for it is not good to take the bread of the children and cast it to the dogs.
7:28. But she answered and said to him: Yea, Lord; for the whelps also eat under the table of the crumbs of the children.
7:29. And he said to her: For this saying, go thy way. The devil is gone out of thy daughter.
7:30. And when she was come into her house, she found the girl lying upon the bed and that the devil was gone out.
I puzzled over the meaning of this scripture. At first I wondered if it meant that Jesus could be nagged into giving you what you want, just to get rid of you.
That didn’t seem very Christ-like.
God be thanked, one afternoon during a Holy Hour the Holy Spirit gave me a bit of understanding of this passage. While I’m sure there are many, one lesson to take from this is that perseverance is a virtue. Jesus gave her what she wanted not because she nagged Him, but because she was resolute.
In addition to praying directly to God, one more thing you can do is ask a saint to pray for you, too. You know, perseverance.
Why don’t you just flush this whole thread. There is nothing here worth saving.
For since the beginning of the world Men have not heard nor perceived by the ear, Nor has the eye seen any God besides You, Who acts for the one who waits for Him. Isaiah 64:4
But as it is written:
"Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which God has prepared for those who love Him." 1Corinthians 2:9
Agreed.
I is really getting hard to support this place anymore.
There are none so blind... just say’n
Would love for you to elaborate ... ?
It was considered unchristian to permit non-Catholics to continue to practice their non-Catholic religions. It was believed that you condemned them to Hell in doing so. It was also believed that you endangered that community be permitting non-Catholic influences to spread.
When the Puritans came to the New World to escape religious persecution they did not leave religious persecution behind, they became the persecutors.
Religious persecution was the way of the world before and after the Enlightenment. Religious persecution is nearly as common today as it was 400 years ago. It is becoming more common in the United States today. You see a thread on FR nearly every day of how some kid in some school is told that he can not pray or read the Bible in school.
So why should you wonder that Catholics persecuted non-Catholics in the past?
So saints who have passed on are omnipresent and can hear everything?
No... Only God is omnipresent. Your belief smacks of pantheism.
There were horrors for centuries until Christians broke free from the Catholic domination, once they did, within a relatively short time after only a few generations of separation from Catholic domination the Christian world settled down to a better place.
As far as the Puritans, while not so long separated from Catholicism, I would not be comparing them to what happened for centuries under Rome, if I meet one I will ask him about his denomination.
well said...
The Puritans or pilgrims or whatever were less harsh than Lindon at the time. Ordinary women in London had no voice in courts and couldn’t own property, there were female tavern owners in Plymouth. Women had more freedom and rights than they ever had in London.
when I studied mediaeval history a long long time ago ( almost 50 yrs), the book and the teacher covered ALL of this supposedly new material
Well tell that to my Catholic ancestors who fled Calvinist persecution in Germany.
Yeah, I get it, there was naturally a shake out period as after a 1000 years of forced Catholicism, people broke free, and had bad feelings and had to fight to remain free, but as they got farther away from their Catholic roots and Rome accepted that they were strong enough to remain free, things settled down within a few generations.
Where did your Catholic ancestors flee to and when?
I'd don't know. Ask the Kennedys.
They fled to the United States about 1900. Yep the reformation was just getting started.
Rev 8:4
Rev 5:8
These verses dipict the “pantheism” you speak of.
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