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New Stanek poll: How often does your pastor preach against abortion?
Jill Stanek ^ | Jill Stanek

Posted on 05/27/2014 9:14:36 PM PDT by Morgana

I have a new poll question up:

How often does your pastor preach against abortion annually?

Most pro-lifers I know complain their pastor doesn’t talk about the abortion issue enough. So how often is that? Vote on the lower right side of the home page.

(Is your pastor resistant? Have him/her read what Franklin Graham thinks.)

In the last poll, 90% thought Emily Letts’ “abortion video” damaged the pro-abortion brand…

Emily Letts poll - abortion video hurt pro-choice movement

As always, make comments to either the previous or current poll here, not on the poll site.

(Excerpt) Read more at jillstanek.com ...


TOPICS: General Discusssion; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: abortion; christians; cultureoflife; pastor; poll; prolife

1 posted on 05/27/2014 9:14:37 PM PDT by Morgana
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2 posted on 05/27/2014 9:15:42 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: Morgana

How often do they preach about homosexuality either? They should and it should be in the context of what God says about family and life and how if we follow His design for our lives it brings health and happiness in all areas mental, emotional, physical and spiritual!


3 posted on 05/27/2014 9:30:30 PM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: Morgana

My pastor preaches against abortion once or twice a year.


4 posted on 05/27/2014 9:31:57 PM PDT by Diapason
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To: Morgana

About three times a year.


5 posted on 05/27/2014 9:35:13 PM PDT by agrarianlady
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To: Morgana

Pretty easy . . . NEVER


6 posted on 05/27/2014 9:37:16 PM PDT by laweeks
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To: Diapason

Several times a month here and probably rapt least once a month about homosexuality or what the trend is doing to our culture and why it is intentional...


7 posted on 05/27/2014 10:58:44 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: melsec

Or slavery.

There are more slaves today in the world than ever before.


8 posted on 05/27/2014 11:03:37 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Jonty30

I’ve never heard him preach against abortion.


9 posted on 05/27/2014 11:04:38 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs (.)
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I am friends with a pastor who had Jill Stanek come and speak several years ago.

I was not able to attend or I might have had a chance to at least meet her.


10 posted on 05/27/2014 11:17:19 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Morgana
How often does your priest flee like a criminal?

"priest"

11 posted on 05/27/2014 11:27:51 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Jonty30

Yes very true Jonty - I saw a program only last night on the slave trade in the UK of all places - disgusting!


12 posted on 05/27/2014 11:41:41 PM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: narses

Never, he’s a Methodist minister on the west coast.


13 posted on 05/27/2014 11:58:39 PM PDT by airedale
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To: melsec

The slave trade is alive and well here in Florida ,, the Sheriffs ignore it as it’s all Mexican on Mexican slavery ,, usually girls/women 12-30ish ..


14 posted on 05/28/2014 4:04:56 AM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: Morgana
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Pro-Life Victory vs. "Render Unto Caesar" ...

Pro-Life Victory vs. "Render Unto Caesar" - (click)



IRS & Church Marriage vs. "Render Unto Caesar" ...

IRS & Church Marriage vs. "Render Unto Caesar" - (click)




What Church Pastor has the courage to watch this message ... ?

Are today's Christians able to hear and recieve a challenging and difficult, albeit "true", look at why Jesus Christ commanded "Render Unto Caesar" message ?


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15 posted on 05/28/2014 4:32:13 AM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (.)
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To: airedale

I, too, am a Methodist minister, but I’m from fly-over country. I am pro-life, pro-natural marriage, and very pro-Bible.

However, I am not a topical preacher. I am a through-the-bible preacher. We are close to finishing up Genesis and are at Gen 45 this week when Joseph reveals himself to his brothers. The truth is that my first priority always is to be faithful to the Bible each week.

For me to come up with some title like, “Seeing their brother again is a pro-life message” would have an element of truth to it, but it wouldn’t be true to the intent of that passage. It would be me imposing a political agenda on the bible. I’ve been in those churches where everything is an occasion to twist the Word to fit a political agenda. And being a Methodist like me, then you know that when most of us hear our liberal preachers do it that it comes out: “Jesus spoke against Republicans and Sinners”

So, I believe I’m unfaithful when I twist scripture. On the other hand, when a preacher works at communicating a bible idea, and when a story or an example would help, then if a pro-life example or story helps, and it truly helps make the point, then I would use it.

Honestly, though, there are other times when something directly fits. Shortly, in Genesis 47, we’ll see the Egyptian government (Pharaoh) taking people’s cash in exchange for his food, then he’ll take their animals in exchange for food, and then he’ll take their land in exchange for food, and then he’ll take their freedom in exchange for food...and bring the people into slavery and the aristocrats into tyrannical rule.

Being faithful to that story will be a great lesson. Government dependency leads to slavery.

It’s an entirely biblical message.


16 posted on 05/28/2014 4:44:42 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins
It would be me imposing a political agenda on the bible.

Please explain to me how preaching against murder would be imposing a political agenda on anyone. Or are you a pro-choice Methodist minister?

17 posted on 05/28/2014 6:44:26 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Try reading post #16 again. He explained the differentiation quite clearly. To phrase your question the way you have, you have to ignore a significant percentage of what the Pastor wrote in #16.


18 posted on 05/28/2014 6:55:22 AM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: 2nd amendment mama

I will give you a moment to go back and re-read my ENTIRE post. If you come to the same conclusion, then I’ll address your concerns. My initial reaction is that you really didn’t read it.


19 posted on 05/28/2014 6:56:12 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins; airedale; All

Somehow I think abortion fall in line with one of the ten commandments. So preach it or get off the podium. Do not give me that political crap because killing is killing no matter who, what, when, where or how it’s being done.

This message is not just to you but to all pastors/priests/rabbis on this site. Hey it’s your future being murdered.


20 posted on 05/28/2014 7:10:29 AM PDT by Morgana ( Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana

Did you even bother to read what I wrote?


21 posted on 05/28/2014 7:12:42 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

Yes I did and I’m just saying to all of those who give a “political” answer I don’t want to hear it. Hey you tell me when your next pro life sermon is and I’ll be in your church in the front pew! Not kidding (providing you are not on the west coast or at least with in a reasonable distance near me) Better yet do you record your sermons? I’ll watch it!!!

I have just grown so tired of hearing excuses from local pastors in my area that I am developing a short fuse and I apologize if I seem to be attacking you personally.

I have been to churches where (and this is no joke) they will attach the Catholic Church but not one thing is said about abortion being murder, about the prolife movement, about why we could support life, why we should vote prolife and on and on.


22 posted on 05/28/2014 7:30:03 AM PDT by Morgana ( Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana

Never. Most of the congregation is past menopause age...


23 posted on 05/28/2014 7:31:55 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I sooooo miss America!)
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To: Morgana
Did you see the word "pro-life" appear at any point in that post? Now, here's a text from Genesis 45, my chapter for this week.

Gen 45: 16 When the news reached Pharaoh's palace that Joseph's brothers had come, Pharaoh and all his officials were pleased. 17 Pharaoh said to Joseph, "Tell your brothers, 'Do this: Load your animals and return to the land of Canaan, 18 and bring your father and your families back to me. I will give you the best of the land of Egypt and you can enjoy the fat of the land.'

Being true to the Bible, what is that scripture about?

24 posted on 05/28/2014 7:34:36 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

You would never get a decent church here on the West coast based on you first sentence. The best you’d probably get is an almost dead church with high maintenance costs.

There isn’t much difference in the views you mention here between the Methodist Church here and the Episcopal Church in the U.S.(not the ones the ones that separated).

I’ve been told by two different ministers that they considered breaking with the denomination over the first two issues, but decided to be a “reconciling” group. Of course that could be because of the structure of t h e church and they’d lose the buildings, pensions, etc.


25 posted on 05/28/2014 10:51:27 AM PDT by airedale
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To: Morgana

No killing is not killing in terms of the 10 commandments. Properly that commandment should be read thou shall not murder. I find myself in line with the Catholic churches position on sanctity of life and t h e just war doctrine.

Abortion for convenience, gender selection and similar reasons to me is murder on the other hand to save the life/health of the mother isn’t. There are gray areas especially in mental health areas.


26 posted on 05/28/2014 10:59:38 AM PDT by airedale
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To: xzins
'And if you keep yourself from preaching against our works, you can have tax exemption under our rule' ... what a strategy!

BTW Pastor, aborting an alive unborn human being is murder. Yet there are passages in the OT where God instructed to wipe out the entire population of a group, right down to the unborn and swaddled. Greater minds than mine have tried to explain that one away, but I am still perplexed by the duplicity ...

27 posted on 05/28/2014 11:20:35 AM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: MHGinTN
I did not write this quote: 'And if you keep yourself from preaching against our works, you can have tax exemption under our rule' ... what a strategy!

Where did you get it?

Abortion is always murder, even under the constitution the accused has a right to a trial and to be confronted by his accusers.

Something wrong in the DNA?

28 posted on 05/28/2014 12:39:29 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins
I was paraphrasing what the Pharaoh told Joseph and his family ...

It is one of the sad mysteries that Christians can so ardently support abortion on demand. As Christians we are instructed to accept children as a blessing, so to slaughter an alive unborn blessing should be anathema to a Christian. But it is not for so many. I have an ex-wife for whom the issue is closed; she supports abortion on demand as solely a woman's right. Sad what that has led to, but I will not enumerate.

29 posted on 05/28/2014 2:55:01 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: xzins

That comment is of my own making, and it seems to summarize how fedzilla has dealt with churches and Christians in our era.


30 posted on 05/28/2014 2:56:40 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: Neidermeyer

And people fool themselves into believing that our societies are improving - I think they are retrograde! The cops will arrest kids for having a little weed but not go after these scum who use and abuse women - where does the Moose stand on this? I am fairly sure there is a lot of this in Sydney’s Asian Quarter and in other parts of my country - not all is prostitution they are forced to work in restaurants and clothing workshops as well for years to pay the cost of being brought into the country.


31 posted on 05/28/2014 4:51:38 PM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: MHGinTN
It is one of the sad mysteries that Christians can so ardently support abortion on demand.

That is a mystery to me, also. How can they be so vehemently against murder, killing in general, capital punishment, and even traffic accidents, but somehow they arrive at the conclusion that slicing and dicing some innocent little baby in the womb is just a fine thing to do.

How do you go from an aching heart over Jesus being crucified to suctioning the brains of a baby in the womb?

I will never understand it.

32 posted on 05/28/2014 5:26:28 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: airedale
You would never get a decent church here on the West coast based on you first sentence.

I agree with that. They would stick us biblical Christian pastors in some backwater with what they consider to be a bunch of nothing.

But, the entire point that most of Methodism has forgotten is that that's the way it's supposed to be. We're not supposed to get promoted to gradually bigger churches as part of what they call a "successful career in pastoral ministry."

I think God would approve of the "grow your own" concept. The Book of Acts was about going where they didn't have anything at all and getting something started. We biblical Christians are ok with that, but these folks would think they were injuring us by giving us a building, a tiny starter group, and local funding.

It's almost funny thinking of them funding their own demise.

33 posted on 05/28/2014 5:35:46 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: airedale

“Properly that commandment should be read thou shall not murder.”

That is really splitting hairs you know. Cain killed Able, but if he were tried in a court of law today more than likely he would be found guilty of manslaughter.

Then there is 1st and 2nd degree murder.

Killing is killing, someone is dead by your hands does not matter how it happened.


34 posted on 05/29/2014 5:53:24 AM PDT by Morgana ( Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana

Murder is essentially the unjustified taking of a life. All killing is not murder. If person A is in the process of trying to kill you and you manage to kill them instead it’s not murder. Killing an enemy during a just war in generally isn’t murder though it can be (under our law, Geneva Convention and Catholic Just War Doctrine.). For example killing an unarmed soldier who has surrendered and doesn’t present a threat would in most cases be murder.

We have chosen to split murder into a number of different categories and given them different names to reflect their threat to society. Conscious premeditated unjustified killing being the most serious down to the accidental killing of someone being the least serious. Even premeditated murder has levels depending on threat to society. We usually refer to those as enhanced circumstances such as killing a cop or judge.


35 posted on 05/29/2014 8:28:31 AM PDT by airedale
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