Francis and Four Points of Apostate Action: Islamic prayers to be held at the Vatican

All I did was study something placed in my hands by a nice catholic- I was attending an orthodox presbyterian church at the time and I expected to be there awhile even going through the classes to become a member...

That booklet, the how to pray the rosary book , with the beads and a dream I had about a Fatima a little while before that ( I knew nothing about that name previously-and the site I saw, it was a Muslim name )

It came to me that Catholics really believe this fatima stuff and it made me want to defend my faith. Even if it went against church teaching or traditions...

There were 15 promises in the instruction booklet that spirit gave for praying the rosary... and I ddnt get biblically past the first promise before the first lie was found- and followed them and could refute all of them as lies with Scripture..

And when I got to number 14.. after lots of I, me, Mys from the spirit, the spirit mentioned and pointed to her only son, Jesus Christ, by name..

And No lies lead to the Way, Truth or Life.

So what to do? Two different Jesuses?

While I was studying this, I was starting to wonder everything about the catholic church like I really never did before..
Trying to reconcile three days/three nights and Jonah and the Feasts and easter and its relation to the feasts....

After study and His grace, I discovered so much of Christianity has just come up with their own substitutes form what should be for Torah, that became flesh...

And believe me, it was a punch in the gut.. because one has to unlearn a lot.. and very humbling.. but His Calendar study was an awesome study and when I saw even Jews are screwed up using the gregorian, I knew that what I stumbled onto was a real deception..

And following all of this with then the studying of acts 7:45 and Hebrews 4:8 where the ‘Jesus’ in my old bible has been changed to ‘Joshua’ in newer versions, I could see even more how the master counterfeiter has done a job on even the very elect.. substitutes here and there, all the while leaving the words in place is still counterfeiting,, I couldn’t tell a phony $20 bill unless it looked so different..
Then my study of that word ‘anti’ with a simple concordance and how it really meant ‘in place of’ or ‘’instead of’, it was another eye opener..
The anti messiah won’t be one who will not look like the messiah, it will be a counterfeit that looks so much like him,and speak like Him.. only way to tell would be through The Holy Word...

I shouldn’t know what I know.. this should be reserved for the billy grahams and pastors and those who have dedicated their lives to study His word and preach the gospel..

Not me..but maybe because I quit my life two years ago and placed my livelihood cmpletely in His hands, I was blessed...
The choice to be my dad’s full time caregiver two years ago - My life suddenly ceased to be about me, here or now- but Him, His kingdom and spending eternity in His Kingdom with Him, trusting Him for everything...

How can I explain how I was drawn away by Him, from even an orthodox protestant church for private home worship and rejecting the world’s system for a calendar based on His sun, moon and stars?

And now as a full time caregiver with a job 24/7, I can really observe His calendar and leave the worlds religious, political and business systems behind..
That is amazing grace..

And my prayer has been I never have to go back to the world’s slavery ...
I had no idea how enslaved I was..I thought I had lots of freedom- Wrong!

and my concern is for the billions locked in traditions, vain worship and counterfeit substitutes that resemble more Tammuz than Torah that have a fake freedom that is subtle slavery..

I can now understand how people can hear ‘I never knew You, depart from Me, you workers of Lawlessness...

Our enemy is a great countefeiter and deceiver... And I hope all catholics and protestants, jews and even muslims will see through those counterfeits and deceptions that touches all religious beliefs.. secular humanists, we should not be..

To Him be all the glory!

All I did was study something placed in my hands by a nice catholic

You must understand. I have seen this all before. I had a loved one become involved with a group that was to them a revelation of the true vision of what we should believe, and the glorious exposing of everything that's wrong with everybody else. This person's facts were different than yours. But their sense of amazed discovery of the truth was identical to what you are describing.

Which is why I try to never start these discussions at the level of personal revelation. We have an objective body of fact before us, the Scriptures, and we can use that to discover truth.

Now I know there is no such thing as a perfect English translation, but that's why I went and studied the Greek and the Hebrew, and have acquired over the years a rather high degree of confidence that whatever we really need to know about the Gospel is not hidden under a rock or off in some secret chamber, or lost for centuries in an imaginary Hebrew New Testament, but is plain as noonday set before us in the Word of God we all have access to.

So in light of that, we can say that the name translated "Jesus" was a fairly common name, transliterated from the Greek "Iesous," and in the cases you "discovered" (which have been well known for centuries) are nothing more complicated than references to Joshua, son of Nun, lieutenant of Moses. "Iesous" is used because that's what's in the Greek (also used in the Septuagint for Joshua), and the Greek is the original, not some imaginary Hebrew "proto-text", as some may have told you. The Greek is how God gave it to us. It's even probable that a number of conversations in the ministry of Christ occurred in Greek as opposed to Aramaic or Hebrew, because of locations like Caesarea that were close to dense Greek speaking population centers. Indeed, there are fragments of the Gospels, in Greek, that some have dated to within the First Century.

So right off the bat, you ought to be aware that a major premise of the Hebrew Roots/Sacred Name movement is flat out wrong. The Greek New Testament is an excellent place to discovered God-breathed truth, and it is the only New Testament text I will use to discuss these things.

For example, Paul wrote this to the Greek congregation at Philippi:

Php 2:9-11 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: (10) That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; (11) And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

That's how he wrote it. If he'd have written it in Hebrew, no one but his old buddies the Pharisees could have read it. But Paul was a good missionary. He wrote in the language of his audience, which here was a fellowship in a city of Greece, and, well, I'm betting they spoke, read, and thought in Greek AND had no knowledge of or interest in Hebrew calendars. I'm betting they were focused on the far greater value in Paul's writing, as moved by the Holy Spirit, which was, and will always be, to magnify the the name of the Lord Jesus Christ above all other names. And he said it in Greek!

Peace,

SR

I do not know much of Hebrew roots movement or names or languages, but I do read and speak English

and I read in my old testament the name Joshua.. one whole book on him that transliterates the same name of the savior into English..

And that same name could have been transliterated in english, which is what most of in the language, read, as Joshua, over 900 times in our new testament, just as it was for acts 7:45 and hebrews 4:8

even back in 1599 where my geneva bible notes that the the two Jesus’ were really meant to be Joshua-
Tradition has kept the name the way it is..

That really isn’t that big of a deal and would really screw up all the literature, the music, the entire church..
So, we accept, instead of of the english transliteration of Joshua, the Greek/Latin transliteration.

By itself, insignificant..

But add in the lies of the ‘our lady’ that I don’t think even protestants have studied or tested with the rosary.. (if you don’t know those, I suggest you seek them out and test that spirit- and see if you come to a different conclusion of the greco roman latin mother church than I do- mine kind of jives with the original reformers)

Add in the fact of december 25 and easter being man made holy days instead of the days ascribed in Scripture..(a product of the Greco Roman Latin mother... (easter occurred before passover this year when comparing the Gregorian and His calendar- we haven’t seen Pentecost yet on His calendar- but that was just celebrated this past suns day on the worlds calendar)

Add in the Gregorian calendar with days of the week and months in the year named after gods, goddesses and parts of creation..
(A simple Wikipedia search will do it for those who think that all they do is worship the one True God)-
And boy, the entire world follows and ‘worships’ it... a namesake for a greco roman latin pope in the mother church.-

Add in the other secular holy days that folks have that are ‘sabbaths’ on the calendar...everybody and anybody can have their special days with the Greco roman Latin mother church..

Add in the actual Sabbath day for not just Christianity , but Jews and Muslims too, being found using the gregorian calendar..a product of the Greco roman Latin mother church..

And add in Our heavenly Father’s Sabbath, as the template shows in ezekiel 46:1, cannot be found using the world’s calendar..cant be done.. that isn’t an accident.. stealing worship is what Satan does..

And while observing His calendar template, even the feasts appear to be off by a month for the jews ...some Jews, by a couple months..

Now, maybe all that is negligible or insignificant..or maybe the reformers knew what power they saw in the papacy, as warned in the study notes of the Geneva bible I have..

The world and its leaders can do what it wants.. those smart phones and wall calendars run people’s lives...
They tell you what time it is and what day and month you are in..and nobody has to look up or count...

But just so people know, it isn’t the same time as what Scripture gives us..and scripture doesn’t hide it.. man has...moses and the Messiah used the same calendar..

And from your name, you are a reformer.. now that can mean lots but on a religious posting, it means one thing usually.

And look what Our Heavenly Father’s timekeeping and calendar and talk of substitutes and counterfeits can do to even a reformer-

Those talks can seem to lead to reformers, in the end, defending the parts of the greco roman latin mother church that they traditionally agree on worship with- maybe the traditions the mother church gave are too sacred for even the most reformed reformers...

Maybe we have solved the catholic/protestant feud with this view!

Would that cause anything to sink in a little to any protestant who is so quick to discount doctrines of the mother church?
We really don’t stop to think what we share in ‘worship’ that makes the daughters no different than the mother...
Well, I now know..

So, in the end, the study of the name of the savior or what the Messiah’s true name is, does it really matter?

It pales in comparison to those who wonder and follow and worship the beast as described in revelation.
that worship leaves a mark...

And that spiritual mark of the beast is just a counterfeit for the spiritual seal of God.

Now, we can ignore genuine for counterfeits at our own peril or argue over Greek/Latin or English transliterations.. but we should know who is the great counterfeiter and we know why- to steal worship...

The war for worship is ancient.. and goes on today..and there is a babylon reborn for our age...

And again, our command is to come out of her, my people.

If people think the gregorian, december 25, easter, every sunsday sabbath, mary and jesus is all biblical and scriptural with no possibilities of substitutes or counterfeits of Truth- then people certainly have an advocate with the greco roman latin church and its pope.. because they gave us what we believe and worship today...and the world has accepted those as the premise that all life is set on...

I read revelation a little different..

May He bless you more on that journey out than He has me..

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