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A Christian family, a gay son - and a Wichita father's change of heart
Kansas.com ^ | June 7, 2014

Posted on 06/07/2014 6:47:03 PM PDT by Faith Presses On

I can't cut and paste from the device I'm using, but this article is an interview with the father of Matthew Vines, the author of "God and the Gay Chrisitan." Monte Vines says when his son told him he was "gay" a few years ago, they studied the Bible together and discovered things like the often-cited bad argument that both homosexuality and eating shellfish were abominations in the Old Testament (and on that, God says to the Israelites about things like shellfish that they "shall be abomination for you" - meaning the Jews). So the father changed his mind since there are many churches but he has only one son, he says . And the family left their church because it was Presbyterian USA, but the congregation voted to join another Presbyterian denomination that doesn't accept homosexual conduct.


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To: Viennacon

It looks like the family was already attending a PCUSA(a denomination that already supports abortions and female elders as well as allowing ministers who deny things like the virgin birth, the resurrection and the infallibility of the Bible) so I think they lacked discernment skills long prior to this issue with the son.


21 posted on 06/07/2014 7:16:48 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: Faith Presses On

how weak are Christian parents these days. They’ll tolerate any sin committed by their children because they don’t want to hurt their feelings.
Some Christian parents will ex-communicate their grandchildren cause their adult child asks them too.


22 posted on 06/07/2014 7:18:36 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: Faith Presses On

>>often-cited bad argument that both homosexuality and eating shellfish were abominations in the Old Testament

He should read on into the New Testament until he gets to Romans 1:26-28. The “Shellfish Problem” solves itself there in no uncertain terms.


23 posted on 06/07/2014 7:20:58 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyranni)
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To: Faith Presses On

I’m calling Baloney on this father and son studying scripture. If this bogus shellfish argument convinced them, they haven’t spent more than a few minutes in their Bibles.


26 posted on 06/07/2014 7:34:48 PM PDT by lurk
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To: Faith Presses On

Perhaps he should have kept reading until he got through the New Testament.


27 posted on 06/07/2014 7:34:48 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: roofgoat; kingattax
that’s a real tough one if a person is honest. I wonder how many real Christians can handle that verse.

If a person calling themselves a Christian can't handle that verse, they are not a Christian.

They have not submitted themselves to Christ and are like the Rich Man who had done everything that God required except give up his riches, the one thing that God was asking of him.

Being a Christian requires a 100% commitment. Anything less, means you are not a Christian.
28 posted on 06/07/2014 7:36:45 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: PAR35

The law firm is Adams Jones if anyone needs that type of lawyer in Kansas.


29 posted on 06/07/2014 7:39:58 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: irishjuggler

Good point.

“I know being a rapist is wrong but in my heart I know he still loves his mother so he can’t be all bad”.

The world has gone insane.


30 posted on 06/07/2014 7:43:00 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: SoConPubbie

and I stand by my original post. I expect most Christians will post what you wrote.


31 posted on 06/07/2014 7:43:12 PM PDT by roofgoat
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To: Bryanw92

Acts 10:9-16- “On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour: And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.”


32 posted on 06/07/2014 7:43:26 PM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Ob)
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To: Faith Presses On; Lowell1775; JPX2011; NKP_Vet; Jed Eckert; Recovering Ex-hippie; ...

I smell a troll. An anti-Catholic troll.


33 posted on 06/07/2014 7:44:44 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: rockrr

He killed his parents, but he’s an orphan now, how sad, let’s go easy on him.


34 posted on 06/07/2014 7:46:58 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: ilovesarah2012

You love the sinner, hate the sin, encourage conversion therapy to fix the unnatural attraction and pray for support and guidance.


35 posted on 06/07/2014 7:52:47 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: irishjuggler

I’m wondering when we’ll start seeing the shock stories of gay parents having a child come out as straight.


36 posted on 06/07/2014 7:54:38 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: irishjuggler

Can you imagine someone saying, ‘I used to think that doing heroin was wrong, but I changed my mind after my son started shooting up’?

Or ‘I used to think that armed robbery was wrong, but I changed my mind after my daughter held up a liquor store’?

Oh yeah. Try being a public defender for a while.


37 posted on 06/07/2014 7:57:53 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: Faith Presses On
From the article: . . . they studied the Bible together and discovered things like the often-cited bad argument that both homosexuality and eating shellfish were abominations in the Old Testament . . .

They "studied" (the son supplied his father excuses) the Bible as an intellectual exercise, whereas sodomy is a spiritual problem, refusing God's purpose for and design of the body as the vessel of a soul. Jehovah has never tempered His tolerance for one's misuse of his own or another's body, because its abuse demonstrates a warped soul and spirit, which is the abomination.

38 posted on 06/07/2014 8:04:14 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: narses

With the way our nation is degenerating, I figure we’ll probably have public defenders like that someday if not already.


39 posted on 06/07/2014 8:04:22 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: tbw2

That’s all you can do.


40 posted on 06/07/2014 8:14:34 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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