Posted on 06/07/2014 6:47:03 PM PDT by Faith Presses On
I can't cut and paste from the device I'm using, but this article is an interview with the father of Matthew Vines, the author of "God and the Gay Chrisitan." Monte Vines says when his son told him he was "gay" a few years ago, they studied the Bible together and discovered things like the often-cited bad argument that both homosexuality and eating shellfish were abominations in the Old Testament (and on that, God says to the Israelites about things like shellfish that they "shall be abomination for you" - meaning the Jews). So the father changed his mind since there are many churches but he has only one son, he says . And the family left their church because it was Presbyterian USA, but the congregation voted to join another Presbyterian denomination that doesn't accept homosexual conduct.
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The father should be sad, as in rejecting what the Creator established and instead, justifying perverse desires which man has in different forms due the Fall, his son has chosen an iniquity that, besides other present and eternal cost, has, in 2011 accounted for 79% of 38,825 estimated HIV diagnoses among all males aged 13 years and older, and 78% of infections among all newly infected men. After 30 years of trying to tame it. - http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/gender/msm/facts/index.html
There simply is no argument that will negate the Biblical injunctions against homosexual relations and find sanction for them. God made man and women uniquely compatible and complimentary, in more ways than the physical aspect, and only joined them in marriage, which Jesus Himself specified. (Gn. 2:18-24; Mt. 19:4-6) Homosexual unions are only condemned by God in the Scriptures by design and decree, in principle and in precept.
And attempts to force homosexual relations into passages it does not belong extends even to pro homosexual apologetics on the Bible, the specious nature of which as http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/Homosex_versus_the_Bible.htmlHomosexuality reveals.
However, some of the first Christians were likely former homosexuals, (1Cor. 6:9-11) and there is room at the cross for all who want the Lord Jesus over sin, and believe upon Him to save them who died for them, and rose again. And who thus are baptized and follow Him, to the glory of God.
“There simply is no argument that will negate the Biblical injunctions against homosexual relations and find sanction for them. God made man and women uniquely compatible and complimentary, in more ways than the physical aspect, and only joined them in marriage, which Jesus Himself specified. (Gn. 2:18-24; Mt. 19:4-6) Homosexual unions are only condemned by God in the Scriptures by design and decree, in principle and in precept.”
It’s patently absurd when anyone tries to teach that the Bible ever endorsed homosexual behavior. If we could travel back in time and tell the Biblical writers that people would be teaching such a thing 20 centuries after the last Biblical book was written, they would’ve thought we were insane. Of course, they were more open to childbearing(something impossible in homosexual unions) than our culture is now.
28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
The three times he saw the sheet lowered reflected the three men that came to him. It wasn’t saying that we should eat any old thing, but that we should not call any man common or unclean.
These people are not only using poor logic they are misleading and possibly leading others astray. They need bible 101 and need to read it in context.
Poor shellfish! They always seem to get dragged into discussions of the Bible and sexual behavior. Oh, and mixed fibers!
You’re right, it’s tough. There is a strong guilt that undermines our faithfulness to the Lord here. To turn from flesh and blood seems traitorous. But it’s a false guilt. I have a lousy track record here, but hope to grow in obedience!
“Where do you draw the line for your children’s chosen behavior?”
It’s not a chosen behavior.
Same-sex attraction disorder is induced by trauma—the trauma of a molestation or seduction in the pre-adult years. This disorder manifests as a compulsion to engage in what Chesterton called “loathsome perversions.”
If your daughter developed PTSD from a rape, you’d get her treatment. If your son develops SSAD from a rape or seduction, you...don’t.
Double-plus ungood.
“These people are not only using poor logic they are misleading and possibly leading others astray. They need bible 101 and need to read it in context.”
This is a real problem, and it begins with the mistaken notion that just anybody can read and correctly understand the scripture all by himself, and if his interpretation differs from that of the most holy, scholarly, intelligent, and wise men to emerge in the last 2014 years (appx.), well, then they must have been wrong.
Instead of threatening the boy with AIDS, try using the disease of neuropathy instead.
That’ll turn him around quick and make him walk the straight and narrow.
The answer to your question is: anyone who is a Christian can handle it.
A Christian is a person in whom the Holy Spirit dwells. There is no greater power.
To love one’s family more than one loves Jesus Christ is a thing of the flesh. To love Jesus Christ is of the spirit.
The difficulty for some is this: Matthew 10:37 is misunderstood to be a choice between loving family and loving Christ. But if one loves Christ first, then the love he has for his family is of the highest rank.
You will love your family whether or not you accept Christ. So the only choice is not between loving family and loving Christ, but between loving Christ and not loving him.
We’re all going to die. I prefer to die following God’s word as well as I can.
It is the preferred way.
Indeed, and they would also reject such things as prayer to departed saints in heaven, attributing to them uniquely Divine power, esp to a resurrected "Queen of Heaven" who possesses a certain equality with God, with almost unlimited power; and NT pastors distinctively titled "priests," in a church in which the Lord's supper is manifest as being "the source and summit of the Christian life," in which "the work of our redemption is accomplished;" and looking to an exalted Peter in Rome as the first of a line of supreme and independently infallible heads; and sprinkling souls which very act - even those who cannot repent and believe (Acts 2:28; 8:36,37) - effects regeneration, formally justifying the sprinkled on the basis of his own personal goodness, thus usually culminating in indeterminate time in "purgatory" in order to atone for sins and become good enough to enter Heaven. Etc.
Easy to say; harder to live in. None of us can be worthy without His sacrifice. He makes us worthy despite our human failings that continue on even after He has removed our sins.
Scripture isn't a cudgel - it's a love story. Yet, we (many of us and I'm not innocent) seem to have an affinity for using it as a club instead of as a loving tool and source of guidance.
So the father is going to participate in gay sex now too?
(The Left continues its eerie pursuit of re-education camps, forced obedience, and a totalitarian state "for the poor".)
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