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Gay Danish Couples Win Right to Marry in Church [Church compliance "mandatory"]
The Daily Telegraph (UK) ^ | 6/7/14 | Richard Orange

Posted on 06/10/2014 6:12:58 AM PDT by marshmallow

Homosexual couples in Denmark have won the right to get married in any church they choose, even though nearly one third of the country's priests have said they will refuse to carry out the ceremonies.

The country's parliament voted through the new law on same-sex marriage by a large majority, making it mandatory for all churches to conduct gay marriages.

Denmark's church minister, Manu Sareen, called the vote "historic".

"I think it's very important to give all members of the church the possibility to get married. Today, it's only heterosexual couples."

Under the law, individual priests can refuse to carry out the ceremony, but the local bishop must arrange a replacement for their church.

The far-Right Danish People's Party mounted a strong campaign against the new law, which nonetheless passed with the support of 85 of the country's 111 MPs.

"Marriage is as old as man himself, and you can't change something as fundamental," the party's church spokesperson Christian Langballe said during the debate. "Marriage is supposed to be between a man and a woman."

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Current Events; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: denmark; firstamendment; homosexualagenda; lutherans; marriage; moralabsolutes; samesexmarriage
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To: 353FMG

“Is it also guided by a government-run theology?

Hmm, I wonder what Luther would think of it — after all, he did object the way the Catholic Church handled its affairs.”

“Marriage is a civic matter. It is really not, together with all its circumstances, the business of the church. It is so only when a matter of conscience is involved.” —Martin Luther

I don’t think he ever imagined that some future Godless civil state would come up with something like ‘gay marriage,’ but that’s exactly what eventually happened. Same thing with easy civil divorce and remarriage.

FReegards


61 posted on 06/10/2014 8:10:10 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: xzins
The Diocese of Copenhagen's website says that there are only 48 Catholic Churches in Denmark. I would think that they could easily fund themselves or perhaps get some assistance from the Vatican. However, the bigger problem is that this law appears to make same-sex marriage mandatory.

I just reread the article though and this story is from two years ago when the Church of Denmark changed its position.

62 posted on 06/10/2014 8:13:06 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: xsmommy; Salvation; Unam Sanctam

That image is from http://www.catholic.org/news/national/story.php?id=55284&wf=rsscol and appears to be the former Episcopal Bishop, Gene Robinson. He’s the one who is celebrated for diversity because he chose to be gay and left his wife and young daughters to shack up with his true lifelong love and soul mate, whom he eventually “married” and recently “divorced”. I don’t know if it is photoshopped, although I hope it is.


63 posted on 06/10/2014 8:31:51 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: marshmallow
Denmark bishop concerned same-sex ‘marriage’ law could force unions on Catholic Church
64 posted on 06/10/2014 8:32:41 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: Pollster1

oh I recognized it and I know he’s ridiculous enough so as to appear thusly festooned, but I did wonder about the pic. Thanks!


65 posted on 06/10/2014 8:46:39 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: marshmallow
Denmark's church minister, Manu Sareen, called the vote "historic".

Nah. The Third Reich already took over the Lutheran churches in Germany decades ago. (They've had some time to clean house since 1945.) And the Chinese communists have long ago taken over the Buddhist monasteries in Tibet and the Christian churches in China. So as fascists go, the Danes are hardly first adopters.

66 posted on 06/10/2014 8:53:25 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: marshmallow

“we don’t want to force churches to marry homos” - the left


67 posted on 06/10/2014 9:00:31 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Salvation
According to Wikipedia:

In January 2014, 78.4% of the population of Denmark were members of the Church of Denmark (Den Danske Folkekirke), the officially established church, which is Lutheran in tradition. This is down 0.7% compared to the year earlier and 1.3% down compared to two years earlier. Despite the high membership figures, only 3% of the population regularly attend Sunday services.

The Constitution states that a member of the Royal Family must be a part of the Church of Denmark, though the rest of the population is free to adhere to other faiths. In 1682 the state granted limited recognition to three religious groups dissenting from the Established Church: Roman Catholicism, the Reformed Church and Judaism, although conversion to these groups from the Church of Denmark remained illegal initially. Until the 1970s, the state formally recognised "religious societies" by royal decree. Today, religious groups do not need official government recognition, they can be granted the right to perform weddings and other ceremonies without this recognition.

Denmark's Muslims make up approximately 3% of the population and form the country's second largest religious community and largest minority religion. As of 2009 there are nineteen recognised Muslim communities in Denmark. As per an overview of various religions and denominations by the Danish Foreign Ministry, other religious groups comprise less than 1% of the population individually and approximately 2% when taken all together.

According to a 2010 Eurobarometer Poll, 28% of Danish citizens polled responded that they "believe there is a God", 47% responded that they "believe there is some sort of spirit or life force" and 24% responded that they "do not believe there is any sort of spirit, God or life force". Another poll, carried out in 2009, found that 25% of Danes believe Jesus is the son of God, and 18% believe he is the saviour of the world.

Sad statistics; typical of socialist, birth controlling, immigration-happy Europe.

68 posted on 06/10/2014 9:01:28 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: Genoa
Luther’s fault.

Actually, no. It was Hitler who took over the Lutheran churches.

And Luther's original intent was not to go forward with progressive innovations, but to return the church to its orignial, apostolic origins in a period when the Roman Catholic church was selling indulgences and other questionable tactics to consolidate political power and increase funding. Luther was an Augustinian monk and did not want to split the church; he was forced out due to a groundswell of support for his reforms.

69 posted on 06/10/2014 9:07:24 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: Morpheus2009

I wish I were wrong, but this is coming to the USA.


70 posted on 06/10/2014 9:15:43 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: Morpheus2009

What’s the big difference between Denmark’s govt. run church and the US govt. influenced church established by Lyndon Johnson’s tax break. Want to keep your special deductions? Your church will have to do what the govt. tells it to do. Most churches in this country are under that special tax exemption.

In reality, I have no assurance that we have it any different due to the Constitution. When the govt. comes knocking, the cowards in this country will fold just as they have elsewhere. We’re already seeing it happen.


71 posted on 06/10/2014 9:35:02 AM PDT by Waryone
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To: ravenwolf
I read that, thank you.

I'm trying to get clarification: all churches that Parliament controls, or all churches period?

Has Denmark altered its Constitution, or just passed a new regulation for the state-owned churches it controls?

Another poster indicated that it was only the state-owned churches.

72 posted on 06/10/2014 10:29:13 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

Has Denmark altered its Constitution, or just passed a new regulation for the state-owned churches it controls?


I have no idea, I just know its getting bad every where except maybe in Russia, never thought I would ever say that.


73 posted on 06/10/2014 10:34:22 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: dragonblustar
How is sin Luther’s fault?

Who said it was?
Do you think it is?
Sin is an individual's fault. Didn't you know that?

74 posted on 06/10/2014 10:38:42 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Genoa

Oh come on. All luther wanted was to seperate marriage from the church to return it to a purely civil institution and to restore bigamy.........


75 posted on 06/10/2014 10:51:05 AM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: ravenwolf

I have just read that the bill that was passed is for the state owned Churches only, but since over 78 percent of the population are members of the Danish National Church which is Lutheran that does not leave much room for anything else.


76 posted on 06/10/2014 11:12:59 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: marshmallow

“I think it’s very important to give all members of the church the possibility to get married. Today, it’s only heterosexual couples.”


I have raved and ranted on this before but now can any one at all see why it is important for the Church to discern who is fit to be a member and who is not, as the Bible clearly shows the early Church did?

These religious organizations are not interested in right and wrong and bringing the gospel of Christ to any one, the only thing they are interested in doing is to get the biggest membership they can.

Bring in the sodomites and convert them to Christ, yeah right.

Maybe the mother of the harlots is not bad compared to the daughters..


77 posted on 06/10/2014 11:27:59 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: Salvation
I believe that the photo is of the infamous Episcopalian "bishop" Vicki Gene Robinson of New Hampshire, now retired, who purported to turn in his long-married actually female wife (and mother of his children) at the church where they had married in order to "marry" his new male "wife" after Vicki Gene hallucinated that he had suddenly "discovered" his true identity.

God bless you and yours and all of the wonderful work you do here.

78 posted on 06/10/2014 11:48:59 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em Danno!)
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To: cloudmountain
Sin is an individual's fault. Didn't you know that?

I did, did you?

79 posted on 06/10/2014 12:47:05 PM PDT by dragonblustar ( Psalm 103, Psalm 37:7, Ephesians 6:12)
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Yup, ‘homosexual marriage law’ is all about forcing the citizens to support and service homosexual behavior. Yeah, I know this story concerns Denmark.


80 posted on 06/10/2014 1:30:27 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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