Posted on 06/15/2014 9:09:26 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
Catholic is a single church denomination not a race and Catholics were voting democrat long before the recent growth of Hispanics from the JFK law, and we are importing Catholics by the millions.
No one can explain black votes and we don’t have numbers for Catholic, and Evangelical, versus merely Protestant blacks, and we are not importing them by the millions.
The members of the Catholic church are all together, under the authority of European authority of Rome, and our Hispanic immigrants come from actual Catholic countries.
Non-catholic, Hispanic Christians, when all lumped together, are about a 50/50 pro-life republican vote, for instance 44% in 2000, 56% in 2004, and 48% in 2008, and the research indicates that the Evangelical Hispanics are to the right of the average Hispanic Protestant, in voting, pro-life republican.
If you care about life and conservatism, then fight against immigration, don’t fight for it, and don’t fight to continue JFK’s dream.
You are obsessed with this monolithic view of Catholics, which I have demonstrated is incorrect. It is because Catholic is a "universal church" that it is a poor predictive factor.
White Catholic voting has moved consistently to the right for many years, it's an observable trend. Non-Latino Catholics voted 57% for Bush (vs Kerry).
While JFK did champion the immigration reform act of 1965, he'd been dead for almost two years when it passed. LBJ (a Protestant) pushed it through and signed it. A lot of nation-changing legislation was passed in the name of Kennedy: the Great Society and the Civil Rights Act. Conservatives hate most of these, but the GOP were also the leaders in passing a lot of it.
The actual act that became law was introduced by Emanuel Celler, a Jewish Democrat from Brooklyn, in the House, and matching legislation was introduced by Phil Hart, who was an Irish Catholic, in the Senate.
The Senate was strongly controlled by the Democrats at the time, and a majority of them voted for the law. Still the GOP percentage voting for it was even higher!! Wikipedia; "Of the Republicans, 24 voted yes, 3 voted no, and 1 abstained"
The vast majority of Protestants in the Senate (who were in turn the vast majority of the Senate at the time) voted for this bill.
Given this your obsession with blaming the bill on the dead President, Kennedy in particular, or on some sort of Catholic conspiracy, is weird and misguided.
President Lyndon B. Johnson signed the legislation into law, saying "This [old] system violates the basic principle of American democracy, the principle that values and rewards each man on the basis of his merit as a man. It has been un-American in the highest sense, because it has been untrue to the faith that brought thousands to these shores even before we were a country".[10] Hmm, sounds like typical Protestant utopianism was big factor in the passage of this bill. The same people who brought us woman voting and freed slaves, with no sense of the nation as anything other than a "proposition nation" brought the immigration disaster on us out of a sense of fairness.
The heroes in the story were Democrats, specifically those from the South, with their natural conservatism and 'blood and soil' sense of nationalism. Wikipedia, again: " Most of the no votes were from the American South, which was then still strongly Democratic."
A lot of words to say nothing.
States are falling, and the pro-abortion left depends on mass catholic immigration, and we seem to have those who oppose the left’s immigration goals at FR, and those who support it.
The pro-abortion left can only win if we continue to allow this mass immigration, yet Catholics of left and right, seem to support it with single mined passion.
welcome to the club Jack - ansel is of the mind that people on FR should only meet once on the boards, cease from all future interactions, and yield to his opinion thereafter
silly rabbit
Revelation 911 you are a stalker, I don’t know who you are, but you are following me from thread to thread with purely personal attacks totally unrelated to the thread topic, and which I have no idea what they are about.
“If conservatism is important to you, shouldn’t you express some relief at learning about some Hispanics becoming Evangelicals?”
I am a faithful Catholic! I just want you to understand this before I respond.
Jesus has stated quite unequivocally that he has no time for those who call themselves Christian who are lukewarm. I understand this passage in the Gospel. Therefore I accept that for some people, being filled with the Holy Spirit and a total devotion and love for Jesus may come through an evangelical Christian experience. I cannot grieve for them leaving the Catholic Church if that is their experience. A strong trust and love for our Lord Jesus is a wonderful thing and a gift from God.
However, in the same way, for devout Catholics, we would never abandon the faith of our fathers because we believe it has the totality of the message of Jesus especially in John’s Gospel. By attending Mass frequently, receiving Holy Communion often; going to Confession often - with the accompanying humbling experience of an examination of one’s conscience, spending time meditating on the life of Jesus though diligent prayer, etc. For faithful Catholics, it is not an option to leave the church we love so much.
So America and pro-life conservatism are just a sacrifice to Rome.
Not sure what you are implying, unless you are mimicking the anti-Catholic Bostonians of the 19th century who drove most of the immigrant Catholics into the Democratic Party.
It seems to me that whatever I write causes you to revert to the usual anti-Catholic drivel. Not very Christian of you. I am happy to say that my Protestant friends do not react to discussions with repetitious anti-Papist comments.
Wow, what a lot of nonsense and insults to throw into that post.
Seriously, if you are pro-life and conservative and anti-liberal, shouldn’t you be against importing the voters they need to destroy us?
After taking California, they hope to take Texas soon, that means it is all over.
We have lost the nation but we can delay it’s total destruction and even fight for some salvage of it, if our votes outnumber the democrat votes, yet so far, every Catholic I talk to wants to keep importing the democrat voters.
You seem to tag plenty of folk as stalker - Newsflash - we all inhabit these threads - we are bound to cross...ESPECIALLY since you have a massive posting history on most every thread. How many hours do you peruse these threads daily? seriously
If you need to whine to the mod to efficate some retribution for crossing blades, have at it gramps
OH, and I pinged Jack as well - you also called him a stalker this week too
now go the hell away already....this would have been over days ago were it not for you inane need to be the final word on everything..
The reality is revealed in your posting history, thread after thread of you jumping on a thread, not to post on the topic, but to make a totally unrelated personal attack against me.
You have a true stalking history and when I looked at it yesterday I saw that it is about libertarianism.
Evidently you are carrying some grudge against a conservative who opposes libertarianism and your stalking usually mentions that in your stalking posts.
A Rand Paul thread seems to have started your stalking, although I only looked at the first page of your posts.
searching old posts - really? am I that far in your head?
Ive engaged you 3 times on 3 different threads since april - hardly a case for stalking
Have a geritol and resume The Price is Right - post me again and I flag JR and the mod
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