Posted on 06/30/2014 9:01:20 AM PDT by NYer
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Yes. As perhaps the best example, he had a hand in Kay's abortion, and possibly some influence. It's also made quite clear that he was adopted, and seemed always to be trying to prove himself to Vito and Michael. Until the abortion, that is, and then his motives seem much more complicated.
He for certain orchestrated the murder of the prostitute that they used to blackmail the senator.
Too simplistic. The reformation had begun 16 years before Henry VIII was excommunicated.
LOL “the Obtuse”-— truly what a moron Battenburg (excuse me
Mountbatten-Windsor... NOT!). Killing true faith through weak minds and removal of scripture. Deo Vindice.
“is now favored by the clergy who have test-marketed it throughout the United Kingdom”
Test-marketed? Really? So, baptism in the C of E isn’t a sacrament, its a campaign slogan? Do they periodically “test market” their Creed?
Maybe they “poll” to see what should be a sin or one of the ten commandments this year?
I think that it was her idea, but I don’t recall that he did anything to stop it. He also didn’t tell Michael, to whom he should have been loyal. In the scene where Kay tells Michael (out of cruelty and vindictiveness, imho), he is faced with the murder of his child by his wife and friend (Tom), the fact that another man (Tom) was involved with his wife in that crime, and the hatred his wife feels for him, hatred that has been growing for years.
Yes, the murder of the prostitute is another example. In some respects, Tom sometimes seems almost sociopathic, except in his relationships with the family, and that broke down when he chose Kay over Michael.
Thank you! One of the reasons I watch both movies almost every year is because I find something new, or see something in a different way almost every time. In many ways, Kay is the character that I despise the most.
Political decisions are never simplistic. They always have many layers of issues and often create strange alliances. Henry VIII would need alliances if he were to go against the Pope. The national and international alliances were ready made by Luther’s influence throughout the world and within England. In addition, by nationalizing the Church he could tap into the RC Church’s wealth and influence.
Upon Henry VIII’s death the Church came back under the Pope because of his sister Mary who succeeded to the throne.
Finally, it was Queen Elizabeth I who made England a protestant nation after Queen Mary.
So, the simple version of the truth is it was Queen Elizabeth not Henry VIII who separated the Anglican Church from Rome.
Political decisions are almost always simplistic. It was in Henry’s perceived best interest to do what he wanted to do so he did it.
It is as simple as that.
Kay knew from the opening scene in the first movie EXACTLY what the Corleone family was capable of and she knew that Michael was a part of it when she married him. Then, knowing everything, she went along with the evil for years, but would still try to show moral outrage when it suited her.
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Yes, I couldn't agree more. When Michael rejected Kay by marrying another woman, it was clear that he didn't love her, yet knowing that, she agreed to marry him after the death of his wife. How does Michael propose to Kay? By telling her that he wants someone to bear his children. How does she get revenge? By killing one of his children.
The Cathars didn't believe in Satan, Marriage, or Baptism and lots of catholic congregations left Christianity in droves to join in the fun and frolic of Catharism.
At length, after the vain expenditure of much effort, with the advice and assistance of the archbishops of Lyon and Narbonne, the Bishop of Nevers, several abbots, and many other learned men, they (the Cathars) were adjudged guilty of the charge that, while paying lip service to the unity of the Divine Essence, they rejected absolutely all the holy sacraments of the Universal Church: specifically, the baptism of children, the Eucharist, the seal of the life-giving Cross, sprinkling with holy water, the building of churches, good works in tithes and offerings, the marital relations of husband and wife, the monastoc life, and all the functions of clergy and priests.
http://www.cathar.info/12011405_sacrements.htm
It took the Roman Church nearly 300 years to pull out the heretics - the Cathars and the Waldensians - from all over Europe.
Catholics shielded the cathars in their churches and paid the ultimate price - "Kill them all - God will know his own" still rings true today.
Simon de Montfort led the Christian effort to retake Le Languedoc for Christianity. Who will retake Britain and the dying Anglicans?
I don't remember that. Thanks for pointing it out.
Yes, but the Anglican Church did not start with Henry VIII. That was the simplistic statement. It started with the Reformation, was put on hold when Henry VIII died and then was finally instituted under Queen Elizabeth.
So what are people going to say in the Anglican Church now when that question is asked?
You are correct.
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