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@USCCB: Latest @BarackObama's Executive Order "unprecedented and extreme and should be opposed"
Vivificat - From Contemplation to Action ^ | 22 July 2014 | Teófilo de Jesús (@vivificat)

Posted on 07/22/2014 5:58:17 AM PDT by Teófilo

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To: ThomasMore

” Too many bishops in the USCCB have “power” ties to the government.”

When a bishop is dependent upon a patron, he will be conflicted when it comes time to judge that patron. We saw that all throughout the middle ages.

Some things never change.


41 posted on 07/22/2014 11:25:09 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: Teófilo

It dates back to the end of the Thirty Years War. The Swedes basically won the war in the North, and were a very hard master in many areas.

Growing up “Swede” was a near swear word. Didn’t understand why till I got into genealogy and realized most of my area came from the Northern Baltic shore, and from southern Germany (the Catholics). Both suffered under the Swedes, and carried the distaste to the USA.

The only worse thing was a Prussian.


42 posted on 07/22/2014 11:28:00 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Teófilo
It is. Yet most people only think in sound bites.

And don't kid yourself, the hope by the Bishops is that most of the people will stay Catholic. But you are right, many do not.
Heck we have large Hispanic LCMS churches right now. It is sometimes rather odd to wander into a LCMS church in the southwest and see a Hispanic liturgy with an Oktoberfest celebration mentioned in the bulletin

As for the “cooties”, well besides bed bugs (bad pun) that is an issue. Another is the fact that we are in a depression, and importing millions of unskilled laborers will not help the people already here find work.

For me, it is different. I know what happens to a lot of these people. They are treated as slaves, kept isolated by their employers (many don't speak Spanish, but an Indian dialect) and more often than should get sold into the sex trade.

If we need the workers, that is fine. Bring them in legally, and have them get paid the same rate and benefits. Right now, they are hired for well below the minimum wage, with no benefits. We had to fight a war to stop slavery in this country, I would rather not start it again.

43 posted on 07/22/2014 11:44:02 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: defconw

A deal. Live long and prosper and then we will debate St Peter. I will remind him that St Thomas said that not defending innocent life, be it your own or others, is a grave sin though so I hope you are on board with that! :-)


44 posted on 07/22/2014 12:48:30 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: redgolum
. Yes, the Know Nothings were anti Catholic in the late 1800’s, but that doesn’t excuse it.

It does explain it.

People who frequent discussion forums like this one are ideological voters. The vast majority of Americans are not. Near as I can tell, the vast majority of Americans vote either democrap or repugnican because their (great) grandparents did. They pay very little attention to what those parties actually claim to represent or support.

45 posted on 07/22/2014 12:55:51 PM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: NYer

When you use a pic with these two characters and suggest that one is a snake, it might be helpful if you were to be specific as to which one you are referencing. Just a thought.


46 posted on 07/22/2014 3:54:48 PM PDT by tomsbartoo (St Pius X watch over us)
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To: MHGinTN

Why is your heart weeping today?


47 posted on 07/22/2014 3:57:30 PM PDT by caww
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To: tomsbartoo

I thought it was obvious.


48 posted on 07/22/2014 4:29:53 PM PDT by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: jwalsh07
If we are at the gate with St. Peter we should be safe. St. Peter is actually one of my favorite guys. He just about messed everything up. But Jesus built the Church on him. Big lesson in there. :)

Sorry I did not get back on this earlier. Storms in the area and my husband wanted to be fed and have some clean clothes and maybe a little attention. The Nerve! Just kidding.

49 posted on 07/23/2014 4:10:48 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: NorthMountain

Multitudes have been damned (literally) for that.

I see it in my family members who remain in the ELCA. They start supporting things like abortion, gay unions, and loose sex because, well, they are in the ELCA. Never mind about doctrine, faith, or the hope of salvation, they are in the church that their grandfather’s were, so they must follow it even though the faith of their grandfathers was much different.

But I have been told that I do not have a respect for “institutional authority”. Which typically means that I have faith, morals, and will not violate them in order to play nice. I strive (and fail as we all do) to be good, as Christ said to. Nice is the wide path that leads to hell.


50 posted on 07/23/2014 6:01:41 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: defconw
Quute: It would be easier to be on the same side if they did not slice and dice every word we utter. Just saying. Just like thread. “They say we worship Mary, we say no we don’t”. They will never accept our what we see to be truth or know to be truth.

When younger, I relished arguing with such people. No longer. I live in the Truth, now I am busy to live it out. The anti-Catholic crowd are just faint background noise to me.

~Theo

51 posted on 07/23/2014 6:33:19 AM PDT by Teófilo (Visit Vivificat! - http://www.vivificat.org - A Catholic Blog of News, Commentary and Opinion)
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To: Teófilo

I need to work on that. I guess just like liberals, I need to quit worrying about why they think what they think.


52 posted on 07/23/2014 6:50:50 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: Teófilo

I humbly suggest you view it as I have started to. A way to better define your self, and honestly amusement.

A good friend of mine is a pastor, and is friends with a priest near our age. We were all out watching a football game (it was in Nebraska, that is what we do) talking theology, when one of the two said “You know, in heaven, Christ is going to sit us down, send Peter over, and tell us how big of block head we were.”

In other words, while theology is very important, we have to remember we are children trying to understand the movement of the sea. We simply don’t have enough brain power, information, or words to figure God out. We have His Revelation, and the other gifts He has given us, but in the end we will not know till Heaven.

Which in many ways, makes me very excited to get there.


53 posted on 07/23/2014 8:59:02 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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