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My Church Loyalties
Christian Century ^ | 28 July 2014 | D. Stephen Long

Posted on 07/28/2014 3:10:13 PM PDT by The Grammarian

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1 posted on 07/28/2014 3:10:13 PM PDT by The Grammarian
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FGS, take an RCIA class and convert already! The author is just making excuses.


2 posted on 07/28/2014 3:17:48 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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“The main reason I am not (yet) Catholic and remain a Methodist and an ordained Methodist elder is that I do not know how to become Catholic without betraying the people who taught me to love God, pray, worship, desire the Eucharist, take delight in scripture, and so on. How can I leave the people I love?”

You don’t even have the Eucharist. You don’t even have a complete Bible. Don’t leave the people you love. Bring them along.


3 posted on 07/28/2014 3:19:35 PM PDT by vladimir998
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I support women’s ordination.

I stopped reading there, clearly this guy isn't ready yet.

4 posted on 07/28/2014 3:34:50 PM PDT by Legatus (Either way, we're screwed.)
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“In fact, Catholics have often been better at reform than Protestants, as Karl Barth acknowledged after Vatican II.”

“Gee, if only there was a Vatican XXV...”
“Can’t we all just get along?”

Lol


5 posted on 07/28/2014 3:56:26 PM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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I guarantee you there was more to the firing than just an essay.

That essay cost me a job at a Protestant evangelical institution.

6 posted on 07/28/2014 4:08:26 PM PDT by DManA
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On the day we are reconciled, I hope the Catholic Church will welcome us with this kind of humility.

Hmph. I was planning on welcoming the Catholics.

7 posted on 07/28/2014 4:08:31 PM PDT by MeganC (It took Democrats four hours to deport Elian Gonzalez)
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There are a number of places where I don't think reconciliation between Protestants and Roman Catholics is possible, but to paraphrase Hauerwas, one cannot be truly Protestant and not long for visible as well as spiritual unity among Christians. The essence of Protestantism is not simply that we are against Roman Catholicism, but also that we are for (pro testari) the true form of it.

As Lutherans state (and I think this applies to Protestants more generally), we don't abolish the Mass so much as maintain it in a more pure form: "we do not abolish the Mass, but religiously keep and defend it" (Augsburg Confession).

8 posted on 07/28/2014 4:25:29 PM PDT by The Grammarian
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Let me give an example of the latter. I largely support, with some qualifications, the Affordable Care Act. Providing health care for everyone seems to me to be fulfilling a command Jesus gave to us to love our neighbor.

More of the social gospel. No where do we have in the NT the example/exhortation for us to have guvment "love" our neighbor.

9 posted on 07/28/2014 4:26:46 PM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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Every good Protestant Christian must be willing to return to Rome for the sake of the unity of the church once the “Reformation” is over.

Maybe every "good" catholic should come out of the Roman Catholic Church and become a Christian.

10 posted on 07/28/2014 4:27:43 PM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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As a former Methodist who converted to Orthodoxy, I can tell him to wait until the reasons for converting are more compelling than those for not converting. And, once converted, to accept what the church teaches, even if he doesn’t quite understand it. Don’t go in intending to reform or change the church. That is, don’t be what Frank Schaeffer is (or was) to Orthodoxy. For me, it all became very simple. I walked into an Orthodox church one Sunday morning and I knew I was home. He needs that conviction.


11 posted on 07/28/2014 4:32:58 PM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.)
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More of the social gospel. No where do we have in the NT the example/exhortation for us to have guvment "love" our neighbor.

I disagree with him about the ACA's merits, but politics aren't theology. One can be a "good" Christian without being a political conservative in the sense the term is meant in U.S. politics.

12 posted on 07/28/2014 4:37:57 PM PDT by The Grammarian
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>More of the social gospel. No where do we have in the NT the example/exhortation for us to have guvment "love" our neighbor.< I disagree with him about the ACA's merits, but politics aren't theology. One can be a "good" Christian without being a political conservative in the sense the term is meant in U.S. politics.

I'm not sure how you can support the liberal agenda and be a "good" Christian. The two are incompatible.

13 posted on 07/28/2014 4:44:33 PM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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“Nevertheless, I find the absence of women in leadership deeply problematic...I struggle to affirm Catholic teaching on contraception.”

Try to find one person of any faith who accepts women clergy/pastors but hasn’t accepted bc within marriage. I’ve never come across one, anyhow.

Freegards


14 posted on 07/28/2014 4:56:55 PM PDT by Ransomed
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I personally don’t see a need for reconciliation on earth aside from all of us shaking hands at the occasional Christmas ecumenical service and saying, “See you in Heaven!”

Meaning we’ll be reconciled in Jesus so why worry about it here?


15 posted on 07/28/2014 4:59:05 PM PDT by MeganC (It took Democrats four hours to deport Elian Gonzalez)
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Your opinion is troublingly common here on FR. But if one cannot hold politically liberal positions and still be saved, then you undermine central tenets of Christianity (and certainly, Protestant Christianity): namely, that salvation is by faith alone, in Christ alone.

If we make it about thinking the right way on items that are not essential doctrine (the Trinity or substitutionary atonement, for example), then we make it about what we think and that comes awfully close to works-righteousness: what we do and think.

16 posted on 07/28/2014 5:00:26 PM PDT by The Grammarian
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I think it will be people coming to the Catholic Church, Megan.


17 posted on 07/28/2014 5:03:19 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ealgeone

We are Christians.


18 posted on 07/28/2014 5:04:46 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: The Grammarian
My Church Loyalties

Right there is a problem.

No one can serve two masters.

Our loyalty should be to Jesus first and foremost.

Church affiliation and loyalty should be way down on the list of priorities.

19 posted on 07/28/2014 5:06:05 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican

Just like a Lutheran lady who started on one end of town and went to all the churches. When she stepped into the Catholic Church, she knew she was HOME!


20 posted on 07/28/2014 5:06:31 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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