It's all about the "Benjamins."
Posted on 07/31/2014 3:54:29 PM PDT by NYer
Please respect the caucus rules - no bashing of other denominations.
NO it is a certification that a valid sacramental marriage did not occur.
No. Absolutely not.
If you are a Kennedy they pass them out like programs at a ball game.
What is the status of any issue from this non valid sacramental marriage?
Because the state issues the license for the wedding to occur, they are still legitimate. They will be recognized by both the state and the Church as legitimate heirs.
I am working from memory here...if they are baptized they are ok.
I think you are going for the bastard child rules that plagued Henry VIII. If the issue from the annulment is in line for the throne, I think you would get plenty of counsel. In all other cases, I think we can agree the kids are not at fault and should be treated accordingly.
You got it!
A situation that I know of.
The couple were both baptized.
The woman wanted children; the man didn’t.
10+ years down the road the man says — I never wanted to be married and I never wanted to have children.
Two weeks later he had moved in with a man.
Lack of form annulment.
And if one’s spouse decided that their mind did not match the birth sex of their body? i.e. wanted a sex change operation? Would the spouse whom was content with their body be expected to remain married to their spouse who wanted to change his or her sexual orientation/identity?
I can’t believe that Jesus would say: “you must remain married to that person.”
It’s not about the money.
Children are always recognized as legitimate. That’s a false idea.
It was about money when the sold the remission of punishment for sins.
1. I learned that if a man/woman DIDN'T tell perspective spouse about tied tubes and/or vasectomies and knew that spouse wanted children, then an annulment is granted.
Spouse DENIED the prospect of children and never told children-wanting spouse about the surgeries: a lie about children annulled the marriage; that is, there was NO marriage.
2. If husband beat the HOLY PIE out of his wife, an annulment is granted.
I knew an old high school student classmate in our class who underwent the latter. Her mother told me about it because they both had the same name and I met the MOTHER socially.
She told me that her daughter DID get the annulment, with FIVE children, and she got to marry someone else and HE was/is a WINNER and said school chum was/is HAPPY at last.
Marriage is about "love, cherish," etc. NOT about beating up spouse, so there was NO marriage.
THOSE are the only two experiences I've had with annulments.
Correct, us usual!
They may soon become the same, if Cardinal Kasper and Pope Francis get their way in October's synod.
88It was about money when the sold the remission of punishment for sins.**
You are talking about something different — indulgences.
I agree with you.
In many cases there WAS no marriage because of several factors. If that was the case, then people CAN marry, for real.
Also, Catholics can divorce...but not remarry IF the marriage was valid. No one is expected to stay with a drunk, abuser, cheater, etc. One can always leave and divorce.
I had an aunt who had that latter problem. They separated and divorced. She married again and stayed with him (one of my father's brothers) until she died...but that marriage was NOT recognized by the Catholic Church. It broke her heart.
FINALLY her former husband DIED. She was then able to marry the man she loved IN CHURCH with a Catholic wedding...at last. She was my godmother.
I was able to say "good-bye" to her on her death-bed. I did love her. She was so good. I still miss her.
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