And an image of people bowing to a statue of Mary.
Posted on 08/01/2014 3:03:42 PM PDT by ebb tide
Posted by Tantumblogo in abdication of duty, Basics, disaster, Ecumenism, error, foolishness, General Catholic, horror, Papa, sadness, scandals, secularism, self-serving, sickness, the return.
I have avoided over the past week or more the incredibly damaging and scandalous actions and statements by Pope Francis with regard to his evangelical buddies in the hopes these scandals might go away. But eventually it became too much to avoid. Apparently, TFG has been meeting and cavorting with these hucksters all summer. Scandal has piled on scandal. This is not a matter of translations, or spin. The statements are too cohesive, too similar, and repetitious to be mere accidents of one kind or another. And the worst of all just occurred.
In a truly incredible statement reported by Sandro Magister in La Repubblica and picked up by Rorate, TFG has apologized for the Church blocking the growth of pentecostal sects:
For example, Bergoglio has spent weeks behind the scenes cultivating relationships with the heads of the powerful “Evangelical” communities of the United States. He has spent hour after hour in their company at his residence in Santa Marta. He has invited them for lunch. He immortalized one of these convivial moments by giving a high five, amid raucous laughter, to Pastor James Robinson, one of the most successful American televangelists.
When no one knew anything about it yet, it was Francis who alerted them about his intention to go visit their Italian colleague in Caserta, and explained the reason: “To extend the apologies of the Catholic Church for the damage that has been done to them by obstructing the growth of their communities.”
Bear in mind, these are the very sects that are absolutely GUTTING the Church in Central and South America! These are the sects that have seen explosive growth in exclusively Catholic areas over the past several decades of liberal heresy. And we are to apologize to them? How about they apologize for all the false lies they spread about the Church and what She believes, for all the souls they have lured away under false pretenses, for all the immense damage they have done to the Body of Christ?
One must ask how any Catholic could even think to apologize for these aggressively hostile and even rapacious sects? But the Pope? How mammoth the indifference to say such………
At some point one has to ask in dismayed wonder, what could he possibly be thinking? He seems to have such an ideologically indifferentist understanding of Christianity and all the horribly erroneous sects that he feels they are fully equivalent to the Church – or maybe quite a bit better. This is, of course, the highly erroneous and incredibly damaging view the radical progressive wing of the Church (if they can be called part of the Church) has been advancing for the past several decades. But it also raises so many stark question as to beggar the imagination:
What is the Holy Father’s view regarding the Blessed Sacrament? These sects don’t have it, Christ said it was necessary for salvation. Does the Holy Father believe such? Pope Francis claims to be very Marian. But the sects hate, attack, besmirch, and revile Our Blessed Mother. How Marian can you be if you so adore these false sects? What about Authority? These sects don’t have it, they are beyond the nice TV veneer a nest of frequently vicious squabbling and mutual loathing. They divide against each other daily into endlessly multiplying and exclusive groups. They are the entire opposite of the Church Christ founded. How can anyone pretend otherwise? What about virtue? Are all these millionaire evangelists like Copeland and Robinson virtuous, selling false “prosperity gospels” to desperate people in exchange for their donations, donations often wrangled from poor lost souls after extensive manipulation? What on earth does the Church have to gain from pretending these shysters are anything but what they are, enemies of the Faith growing rich by stealing deluded souls from the One True Church? How far divorced from reality does a South American prelate have to be to believe the Church has done anything but provide the richest feeding ground for the sects imaginable with all the liberal indifferentism and the trashing of our Ancient Rite and moral code? What opposition? My God, what does TFG want? Nothing left? What can one say at this point? This is simply a period in the Church’s history that will have to be endured, praying and fasting as best we can to ameliorate this catastrophe. God must be sorely displeased with us to inflict us with TFG. I do not know what will be left in 4 or 5 years, but millions of souls will fall away absent one of the greatest miracles in Church history.
Let us forego, however, judgments of the Holy Father’s soul or claims of heresy. That is not for us to make. We can look at objective prudential and semi-official acts and express disagreement and dismay, but not go into formal claims. That is not for us to do.
You can call it what you want.
Bowing down is bowing down and the second commandment forbids bowing down to images.
No one is against respecting and honoring her, but we are against elevating her above and beyond what is written, being a respecter of persons, and praying to her for ANYTHING, which we are never commanded to do.
Now THERE is a broad brush.
Can you point to ONE non-Catholic, besides the obvious one, who gives Osteen ANY credibility?
Cause it certainly isn’t Gamecock.
I will; as soon as you name one Catholic who worships Mary as an idol.
Do you pray the Hail Mary?
though?
Osteen?
Bwahaaa! The man is a motivation speaker imitating a preacher.
I assure you I have not given the man one cent. Suggest you do the keyword search YBPDLN. You will see exactly how many FR folks support his work.
I didn’t say anything about worshiping. All Catholics deny worshiping Mary. Accusing a Catholic of worshiping Mary is an exercise in futility and is unprovable as no one can mind read.
However, that wasn’t my point. The point is bowing down, and lots of Catholics bow down.
Bowing down is breaking the second commandment. God says not to bow down to images.
So, if you immediately equate bowing down with worshiping as a default reaction, then it really does reinforce our point, that it IS worship and that by bowing down, Catholics, along with everyone else, recognize that bowing down IS worshiping.
I asked first.
After you......
Because otherwise, it is just deflection to get it off topic and avoid answering the question asked of you.
So who is bowing down? And who are they bowing towards?
It sounds like you’re making things up.
I bow my head whenever I say or hear Jesus’s name; and that’s it.
“throw”
Thanks for the correction.
No, mam.
It was Gamecock who began with the broad accusation that Cathollics idolize Mary.
Let him name names.
Susan O’Bryan.
I don’t subscribe to Facebook.
Got anyone else?
And an image of people bowing to a statue of Mary.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/idolize
1. To regard with blind admiration or devotion. See Synonyms at revere.
2. To worship as an idol.
Thesaurus
Verb 1. idolize - love unquestioningly and uncritically or to excess; venerate as an idol; “Many teenagers idolized the Beatles”
hero-worship, idolise, revere, worship
adore - love intensely; “he just adored his wife”
idolize
verb worship, love, adore, admire, revere, glorify, exalt, look up to, venerate, hero-worship, deify, bow down before, dote upon, apotheosize, worship to excess Naomi idolized her father as she was growing up.
Stop by aby Roman Catholic house of worship. Go inside. The place is full of them.
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