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Sign of peace at Mass: Vatican says it stays put, but urges education
Catholic Review ^ | 8/4/14 | Cindy Wooden

Posted on 08/04/2014 8:22:12 AM PDT by Welchie25

The sign of peace at Mass has not always led to serenity among liturgists or within the congregations gathered each Sunday in Catholic churches around the world.

After nine years of study and consultation, the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Sacraments has told Latin-rite bishops around the world that the sign of peace will stay where it is in the Mass.

However, the congregation said, “if it is foreseen that it will not take place properly,” it can be omitted. But when it is used, it must be done with dignity and awareness that it is not a liturgical form of “good morning,” but a witness to the Christian belief that true peace is a gift of Christ’s death and resurrection.

The text of the congregation’s “circular letter” on “the ritual expression of the gift of peace at Mass,” was approved by Pope Francis and posted in Spanish on the website of the Spanish bishops’ conference. Jesuit Father Federico Lombardi, Vatican spokesman, confirmed its authenticity Aug. 1.

Catholic News Service obtained a copy of the letter in English.

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1 posted on 08/04/2014 8:22:12 AM PDT by Welchie25
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To: Welchie25

Ick. I hate it. Hippy-dippy, Plastic banana, Feel-good Kumbayah Catholicism. I never touch anyone’s appendages during worship.


2 posted on 08/04/2014 8:26:51 AM PDT by steve8714 (Islam is militant. Atheism is militant. Where is my Catholic Church?)
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To: steve8714

Another sign of the feminization of my Church.


3 posted on 08/04/2014 8:27:24 AM PDT by steve8714 (Islam is militant. Atheism is militant. Where is my Catholic Church?)
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To: Welchie25

Nor do I pray with arms upraised or joined hands.
No Protestant “Our Father”.


4 posted on 08/04/2014 8:28:42 AM PDT by steve8714 (Islam is militant. Atheism is militant. Where is my Catholic Church?)
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To: Welchie25

Catholic liturgy is a hot mess today.


5 posted on 08/04/2014 8:29:14 AM PDT by steve8714 (Islam is militant. Atheism is militant. Where is my Catholic Church?)
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To: steve8714

I have never understood the issue with the sign of peace. And I have never understood why some object to receiving Holy Communion in the hand.


6 posted on 08/04/2014 8:31:44 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: steve8714

Happy Clappy Dopey Gropey


7 posted on 08/04/2014 8:33:33 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

Did you read the article?


8 posted on 08/04/2014 8:34:17 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Yes.


9 posted on 08/04/2014 8:36:04 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: steve8714
Nor do I pray with arms upraised or joined hands.
I'm a lapsed Catholic who, back in the day, never did the feel-good, peace handshake. I came to honor God, not swap germs.
Maybe worse though - I recently attended a wedding and was stunned when the priest asked the congregation to raise both hands which someway, somehow, did something to or for the new bride and groom. Incredible.
Next they'll have everyone rolling on the floor. And my wife wonders why I won't go back.
10 posted on 08/04/2014 8:36:28 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: steve8714

I actually think it is a wonderful expression, as did Augustine...

http://books.google.com/books?id=qIvo6gqiZZgC&pg=PA197&dq#v=onepage&q&f=false

Augustine, Sermon 227

“Then, after the consecration of the Holy Sacrifice of God, because He wished us also to be His sacrifice, a fact which was made clear when the Holy Sacrifice was first instituted, and because that Sacrifice is a sign of what we are, behold, when the Sacrifice is finished, we say the Lord’s Prayer which you have received and recited. After this, the ‘Peace be with you’ is said, and the Christians embrace one another with the holy kiss. This is a sign of peace; as the lips indicate, let peace be made in your conscience, that is, when your lips draw near to those of your brother, do not let your heart withdraw from his. Hence, these are great and powerful sacraments. Do you wish to know how they are commended? The Apostle says: “Whoever eats the body of Christ or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily, will be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.”


11 posted on 08/04/2014 8:37:36 AM PDT by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
And I have never understood why some object to receiving Holy Communion in the hand.

Nor have I.

Matthew Chap. 26, "While they were eating, Jesus took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and giving it to his disciples said, “Take and eat; this is my body.”

Take and eat, he did not put it into their mouth individually, at least the text does not suggest that.

12 posted on 08/04/2014 9:06:08 AM PDT by mc5cents ("Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
I've never understood how the Church covered up the pedophile priest problem.
I've never understood why the Church thinks the US has no sovereignty and it's the American taxpayers' responsiblity to take care of millions of illegal aliens.
13 posted on 08/04/2014 9:13:33 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Welchie25

I despise the “sign of peace” It always seems like the same guy you shok hands with in the next pew won’t let you out of the church parking lot afterward.


14 posted on 08/04/2014 9:14:38 AM PDT by Cyman (We have to pass it to see what's in it= definition of stool sample)
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To: mc5cents

precisely.


15 posted on 08/04/2014 9:16:47 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: oh8eleven

I am in total agreement.

As Ricky Ricardo would say, the Church has some splainin’ to do.


16 posted on 08/04/2014 9:18:15 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Welchie25
**But that does not exclude the need for new or renewed efforts to explain the importance of the sign of peace so that the faithful understand it and participate in it correctly, the congregation’s letter said.

It asked bishops to study whether it might be time to find “more appropriate gestures” to replace a sign of peace using “familiar and profane gestures of greeting.”**

I so dislike it when people flash me the hippie "peace" sign. Profane in my estimation.

17 posted on 08/04/2014 9:33:12 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

I think the hippies hijacked that sign much as homosexuals hijacked the word “gay”.

When Winston Churchill made that sign during WWII it stood for V for victory.


18 posted on 08/04/2014 9:48:16 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Welchie25

Our pastor in Minnesota used to start the mass with it, instead of inserting it AFTER the Consecration. I have refused to participate and simply keep my head bowed and my hands to myself. The Byzantine rite has an “agape” meal (noshes, really) after the Divine Liturgy as a “sign of peace,” so that there is no interruption of the flow of the Liturgy itself. (Besides, during flu season, it doesn’t make much sense to be clasping the hands of sneezing and coughing people.)


19 posted on 08/04/2014 9:48:53 AM PDT by redhead (NO GROUND TO THE DEVIL! Remember BENGHAZI!! Use Weaponized Prayer)
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To: steve8714
Ick. I hate it. Hippy-dippy, Plastic banana, Feel-good Kumbayah Catholicism. I never touch anyone’s appendages during worship.

But you drink out of the same wine cup during communion, don't you? Why don't you just kiss them on the lips.
20 posted on 08/04/2014 9:50:26 AM PDT by Old Yeller (Truth is the enemy of our dysfunctional government.)
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To: Old Yeller

Everyone seems to have their own definition of ick around here.

I think it is icky to stick out your tongue when receiving Holy Communion. But that is personal opinion. If people want to do it. Fine. I have no issues. Same with the sign of peace. If people want shake hands with their neighbor. Fine. If they don’t. Fine.


21 posted on 08/04/2014 9:59:31 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Welchie25

This and holding hands during the Our Father. Ugh.


22 posted on 08/04/2014 10:00:59 AM PDT by Miles the Slasher
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To: Miles the Slasher

Will a “fist-bump” work in these days of Ebola?


23 posted on 08/04/2014 10:05:09 AM PDT by Does so ("Miranda Warnings" and loss of "Common-Law Marriage" = 2 Big Mistakes...)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
I have never understood why some object to receiving Holy Communion in the hand.

If done properly, in the hand is the correct method. But it is so ripe for abuse that, in practice, it is better to administer it on the tongue.

To be done correctly, one must have clean hands, form a cup with the hands so the the Host isn't dropped, and one must consume the Host in front of the minister of the Eucharist.

This is the body of Christ, and should be treated with the respect He deserves.

24 posted on 08/04/2014 10:29:36 AM PDT by kidd
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To: kidd

Could not the Host just as easily fall off the tongue as it could fall off your hand?

It is human nature that we do things the way we know, the way we were raised, the way we were taught.

I was born in the 1960s after Vatican II went into effect. All I know is Mass said in English, Holy Communion received in the hand, and the sign of peace.

It is all natural and normal for me because that’s what I raised with and how I was taught. But I have no issues with people who prefer the Latin Mass, Holy Communion on the tongue, or not making the sign of peace.


25 posted on 08/04/2014 10:39:34 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Miles the Slasher
This and holding hands during the Our Father. Ugh

Don't do it.

I was educated on this issue as part of my training as a Confirmation teacher.

Technically, a parish cannot say "don't hold hands during the Our Father" because the present rules for the Liturgy do not specify what to do with your hands during the Our Father.

If your priest told you to hold hands he would be introducing extra-liturgical practices.

If your priest told you to NOT hold hands he would be introducing extra-liturgical practices.

In reality - those present at the CELEBRATION of the Mass do not become a unified community until AFTER they have received communion. Holding hands before receiving communion sort of short-circuits the celebration by showing a unified community BEFORE communion. If you want to hold hands with your spouse, that is fine, as you've been unified through the sacrament of marriage. But holding hands with strangers is the wrong symbolism.

26 posted on 08/04/2014 10:39:44 AM PDT by kidd
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
Could not the Host just as easily fall off the tongue as it could fall off your hand?

Yes. This is why most parishes have their altar servers hold a platten under the jaw to catch the dropped Host. As an altar boy in the early 70s, I don't recall catching any Hosts placed on the tongue, but it could happen.

27 posted on 08/04/2014 10:42:23 AM PDT by kidd
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To: kidd

During the Our Father I usually hold hands with my wife while saying the prayer, but never with anyone outside my family. Not even friends or acquaintances at Mass.

It’s another one of those things I guess. Some people are comfortable doing it one way, others are not.

I have no problem shaking hands with people I don’t know when it is time to make the sign of peace. But I don’t like all of the hand holding during the Our Father except with my wife.


28 posted on 08/04/2014 10:48:42 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Old Yeller

I never NEVER take Communion in the liquid form. Never.


29 posted on 08/04/2014 7:00:04 PM PDT by steve8714 (Islam is militant. Atheism is militant. Where is my Catholic Church?)
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