Posted on 09/08/2014 2:52:46 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod
The Pope is an ass.
Ecclesiastes 3 —
A time for peace
And a time for war
Completely agree. If he really believes that, why does he have bodyguards and and resident guards in the Vatican.
“The last war the Catholics endorsed was the fascist side during the Spanish Civil War. Not even Hitler’s slaughter of the Jews warranted an endorsement of war. The Catholics were still thinking only fascists could stand up to communists. So, the whole WWII thing was confusing. How could the Pope know us weaklings in America could defeat both fascism and communism (not that we defeated them both at the same time.) Now, if you can imagine that dialogue would have stopped Hitler, or Stalin, or Mao, or Pol Pot, or Idi Amin, you can imagine that it would stop radical Islam. But, fortunately, nobody takes this guy seriously on economics, geopolitics, science, or most other things. He is infallible but just doesn’t have a clue about what he is infallible. As for me, I praise God for those who took up arms to defend the world from evil. War, ugh, what is it good for? Defending us from evil. I’ll say it again. War, ugh, what is it good for? Stopping Hitler and Pol Pot and Idi Amin.”
It may surprise you to learn much of the Catholic hierarchy gave at least tacit endorsement if not outright loyalty to Hitler.
http://emperors-clothes.com/vatican/cpix.htm
The Catholic denomination is Satanic-based!!!
Sorry, 82nd Bragger, I’m immune to the Catholic Church is satanic argument. My Italian grandfather taught me a long time ago, “believe in the church, not in the priests.”
This Pope is simply mush-brained.
LOL, Which church....the one that acts like Christ? Don’t know if you’re Catholic....it doesn’t matter to me since its your soul. Not sure how anyone could attend a church where the leaders are clearly UNchristian, and that’s not necessarily denomination specific.
2) Hitler met resistance from Protestants and Catholics alike. There are 800,000 trees planted in Israel that represent the 800,000 Jews saved by the Catholic Church. None have been planted as a tribute to Protestants (although I think there should have been.) During the war, the New York Times twice said the Church was “a lonely voice crying out of the silence of a continent”; Albert Einstein also singled out the Church during the war. After the war, Golda Meir praised the work of the Church, as did the ADL, the World Jewish Congress, and scores of other Jewish organizations.
3) About those 800,000 trees: why were they planted? The Israeli diplomat and scholar Pinchas Lapide concluded his careful review of Pius XII’s wartime activities with the following words: "The Catholic Church under the pontificate of Pius XII was instrumental in saving lives of as many as 860,000 Jews from certain death at Nazi hands."
He went on to add that this "figure far exceeds those saved by all other Churches and rescue organizations combined." ("Three Popes and the Jews" pp. 214–215)."
4) Pinchas Lapide acknowledged in his book (Before the Dawn). that the Church "in an endless flood of sermons, allocutions, pastoral letters and encyclicals was a clear and unrelenting foe to all forms of racism at the time, and everyone knew it—Jews, Poles, Russians and most ominously the Nazi secret police." Their files mention recalcitrant Catholic clergy in this regard more than any other group.
Your idea that the "Catholic Chuch is Satanic" fits in very well with both the Nazi and Communist views of the Church. They hated it; they still hate it.
I take a kind of grim comfort in that.
The Vatican was neutral during WW2. It was that or either be destroyed by the Nazis, with the Pope being executed. Untold thousands of Catholic priests perished in the gas chambers right beside their Jewish brothers. Liberals have always put down the Pope for not doing enough to save Jews and denounce Hitler. You’re in good company. History says otherwise.
http://michaeljournal.org/piusXII.htm
1) Yeah, right. That’s why Hitler sought, in his words, to “crush [the Catholic Church] like a toad.” He made good on his pledge by persecuting 8,000 priests, over 500 of whom were killed in concentration camps -— and tried to assassinate the pope.
Hitler persecuted many Christians and non-Christians, even gypsies.....you’re cherry-picking number
2) Hitler met resistance from Protestants and Catholics alike. There are 800,000 trees planted in Israel that represent the 800,000 Jews saved by the Catholic Church. None have been planted as a tribute to Protestants (although I think there should have been.) During the war, the New York Times twice said the Church was “a lonely voice crying out of the silence of a continent”; Albert Einstein also singled out the Church during the war. After the war, Golda Meir praised the work of the Church, as did the ADL, the World Jewish Congress, and scores of other Jewish organizations.
I would expect they would covertly. Surely, you don’t think many other Jews were saved by others, whether Christian or not.
3) About those 800,000 trees: why were they planted? The Israeli diplomat and scholar Pinchas Lapide concluded his careful review of Pius XII’s wartime activities with the following words: “The Catholic Church under the pontificate of Pius XII was instrumental in saving lives of as many as 860,000 Jews from certain death at Nazi hands.”
He went on to add that this “figure far exceeds those saved by all other Churches and rescue organizations combined.” (”Three Popes and the Jews” pp. 214–215).”
4) Pinchas Lapide acknowledged in his book (Before the Dawn). that the Church “in an endless flood of sermons, allocutions, pastoral letters and encyclicals was a clear and unrelenting foe to all forms of racism at the time, and everyone knew it—Jews, Poles, Russians and most ominously the Nazi secret police.” Their files mention recalcitrant Catholic clergy in this regard more than any other group.
Your idea that the “Catholic Chuch is Satanic” fits in very well with both the Nazi and Communist views of the Church. They hated it; they still hate it.
It is also Satanic-based because there is OCCULTIC imagery at the Vatican, as well as other churches. Hitler grew up a devout Catholic, although I’m not necessarily drawing a correlation
I take a kind of grim comfort in that.
1) Yeah, right. That’s why Hitler sought, in his words, to “crush [the Catholic Church] like a toad.” He made good on his pledge by persecuting 8,000 priests, over 500 of whom were killed in concentration camps -— and tried to assassinate the pope.
2) Hitler met resistance from Protestants and Catholics alike. There are 800,000 trees planted in Israel that represent the 800,000 Jews saved by the Catholic Church. None have been planted as a tribute to Protestants (although I think there should have been.) During the war, the New York Times twice said the Church was “a lonely voice crying out of the silence of a continent”; Albert Einstein also singled out the Church during the war. After the war, Golda Meir praised the work of the Church, as did the ADL, the World Jewish Congress, and scores of other Jewish organizations.
3) About those 800,000 trees: why were they planted? The Israeli diplomat and scholar Pinchas Lapide concluded his careful review of Pius XII’s wartime activities with the following words: “The Catholic Church under the pontificate of Pius XII was instrumental in saving lives of as many as 860,000 Jews from certain death at Nazi hands.”
He went on to add that this “figure far exceeds those saved by all other Churches and rescue organizations combined.” (”Three Popes and the Jews” pp. 214–215).”
4) Pinchas Lapide acknowledged in his book (Before the Dawn). that the Church “in an endless flood of sermons, allocutions, pastoral letters and encyclicals was a clear and unrelenting foe to all forms of racism at the time, and everyone knew it—Jews, Poles, Russians and most ominously the Nazi secret police.” Their files mention recalcitrant Catholic clergy in this regard more than any other group.
Your idea that the “Catholic Chuch is Satanic” fits in very well with both the Nazi and Communist views of the Church. They hated it; they still hate it.
Here’s the a-kicker - Is this the same NY Times that indicated the following:
NY Times
Dec. 7, 1941 (page 33)
WAR PRAYER
FOR REICH
by telephone to the New York Times.
Fulda, Germany, Dec. 6 – The (annual) conference of German Catholic Bishops assembled in Fulda has recommended the introduction of a special “war prayer” which is to be read at the beginning and end of all divine services.
The prayer implores Providence to bless German arms with victory and grant protection to the lives and health of all soldiers. The Bishops further instructed Catholic clergy to keep and remember in a special Sunday sermon at least once a month German soldiers “on land, on sea and in the air.”
The German Catholic clergy, while strongly objecting to certain aspects of NAZI racial policy, has always taken care to emphasize the duty of every Catholic to his country as loyal Germans in the present war.
Transcribed verbatim and in full
(for better legibility) from
microfiche copies of the originals
http://www.catholicarrogance.org/Catholic/RC_scandal-2.html
The Vatican was neutral during WW2. It was that or either be destroyed by the Nazis, with the Pope being executed. Untold thousands of Catholic priests perished in the gas chambers right beside their Jewish brothers. Liberals have always put down the Pope for not doing enough to save Jews and denounce Hitler. You’re in good company. History says otherwise.
http://michaeljournal.org/piusXII.htm
Yer kidding, right? The Vatican signed a formal agreement to be neutral. Did GERMAN CATHOLICS REFUSE TO FIGHT FOR NAZI GERMANY? NO. Your argument is PATHETIC!!! My father was a missionary during WWII, and he indicated Catholics on one side of the Atlantic were fighting Catholics on the other side of the ocean.
Would Jesus maintain neutrality in the face of not only Jews but Christians being slaughtered?
“My father was a missionary during WWII, and he indicated Catholics on one side of the Atlantic were fighting Catholics on the other side of the ocean”
You mean like in the War to Prevent Southern Independence? Christians up nawth killing Christians down south? Both thinking God had to be on their side? Both praying to the same God to help them kill a fellow Christians.
The point of the matter is you are woefully ignorant of the Catholic Church and world history.
“Christ did not found an abstract religion, a mere school of religious thought. He setup a community of apostles, of teachers, with the task of spreading His message and so giving rise to a society of believers: His Church. He promised the Spirit of truth to His Church and then sent Him”
~ Pope Paul VI (1897-1978AD)
Now you have a night afternoon ya heah!
1. “You mean like in the War to Prevent Southern Independence? Christians up nawth killing Christians down south? Both thinking God had to be on their side? Both praying to the same God to help them kill a fellow Christians.
2. “The point of the matter is you are woefully ignorant of the Catholic Church and world history.”
Ans.#1 - Excellent point....the aggressor would be in the wrong, so the religious leaders shouldn’t have been SUPPORTIVE or even neutral towards the aggressor.
Ans.#2 - Son, any so-called Christian leader who bows and kisses a koran is barely worth a response on a forum, and I pity the dope who defends this garbage doctrine.
Robert E. Lee and US Grant were both Christians and prayed to the same God. As long as Lee didn’t run out of men to fight the war God granted him victories. When there were no more men left to fight THE AGGRESSORS, God answered the AGGRESSORS prayers and the Great Unpleasantness ended.
JP2 was the vicar of Christ on earth. He had more knowledge of Christianity than most men will ever have.
if someone attacks you you have an obligation to defend your God-given life. b/c they have no right to end it un-naturally, as they are playing God with your life.
expand it to a nation that attacks another and its the same thing, as Godly government was ordained to protect its citizens, administer godly justice, and keep the peace.
there’s very little you can dialog with someone about if they say “convert or die”.
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